Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: billw On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:01 am

'll let T. Bone Pickens answer that question. More drilling will not even put a dent in our energy dependence problem, & the little it would accomplish will take 10 years to be realized. More drilling is just a RNC smoke screen to hide behind & be able to point their fingers at anyone else for election rhetoric purposes only.


I usually stay out of these conversations because my anger at our government always shows through but you're dead on accurate about this. Alaskan oil was meant to help make us energy independent but a large portion now gets sent to Japan. That was compliments of Clinton. Oil is a global commodity. It will be sent to the closest market because of transportation costs. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is to blow smoke up our collective butts milking our patriotism saying American oil is for Americans exclusively.

Pickens is right. We need to invest in alternate energy. Something most of us on this board have done or are in the process of doing for our heating needs. CAFE standards for cars need to be raised. We don't need to tell the auto industry how to do it. Engineering is their job. I bought a 71 chevy nova new. It got about the same mileage as my 3 year old Sonata.

Where we disagree is in who's to blame. I don't blame politicians, oil companies, auto companies or OPEC. They are acting in their own self interest. The fault is ours. We are about 5% of the world's population and consume 25% of the world's resources. We haven't demanded efficiency, we reward waste by buying junk. Most people have no need for those monster trucks and SUV's but they were the hottest selling automobile for years.

To paraphrase one of my old company's sayings, We need to be leaner and meaner. We need to make energy efficiency our top priority both personally and as a nation. If we're not willing to take the bull by the horns ourselves we can't expect government to fix our problems for us.

OK, getting off my soapbox now and returning to my plumbing project. :)
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: spc On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:07 am

spc wrote:I agree that we should do everything we can to get off oil,(drill, wind, nuclear, etc)


Which gets back to my original question, why wouldn't Pelosi allow a vote on drilling for oil?

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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:15 am

Richard S. wrote:
Devil505 wrote:
No Mike...What I meant ( Chickens have come home to roost. ;)) is that after almost 14 years of Republican domination of Washington .


They did pretty good the first 12. :P



I think there are a few people who may disagree with you there Richard:

How about.....

All the dead & disabled GI's that have given all for a senseless war/occupation?
All the dead from the 9/11 attack that can arguably be laid at the feet of Bush for failing to act on his own intelligence & FBI warnings & then took a month long vacation the month before?
All the victims of incompetence surrounding Katrina?
All the people who can't afford health care in the richest country on Earth?
All the people who can;'t heat their homes or drive their cars?

You know I could fill this page....but i won't.
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:23 am

Energy self sufficiency...
Will solve our problems...
It has to be a mix of conservation, new drilling, R&D for 'alternative fuels' and most of all 'Common Sense'.
I think the VP choice may bring more practicality and 'Common Sense' to the table.
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:27 am

CapeCoaler wrote:Energy self sufficiency...
Will solve our problems...
It has to be a mix of conservation, new drilling, R&D for 'alternative fuels' and most of all 'Common Sense'.


Agreed.


(but why are you wasting our time on this thread?...You're supposed to be working on my propane to Nat. gas conversion thread!! :lol: )
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:19 am

Check the driveway...
Not... :P
Too much computer work...
and they do not leak gas... :D
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: coalmeister On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:04 am

Devil505 wrote:
Richard S. wrote:
Devil505 wrote:
No Mike...What I meant ( Chickens have come home to roost. ;)) is that after almost 14 years of Republican domination of Washington .


They did pretty good the first 12. :P



I think there are a few people who may disagree with you there Richard:

How about.....

All the dead & disabled GI's that have given all for a senseless war/occupation? ** The whole world believed he had WMD's and said they were going to do something about it, GWB was the only one who had the balls to do it.

All the dead from the 9/11 attack that can arguably be laid at the feet of Bush for failing to act on his own intelligence & FBI warnings & then took a month long vacation the month before? ** And Clinton did any better? Seems the trade centers were bombed under his watch too
All the victims of incompetence surrounding Katrina? **Are you talking about those rows of yellow school buses? Or the fools that live in a pumped out swamp in hurricane zone?
All the people who can't afford health care in the richest country on Earth?
All the people who can;'t heat their homes or drive their cars? **Who's fault is that in a country that offers more opportunity the any other in the history of the world?

You know I could fill this page....but i won't.
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:18 am

Your post didn't show up coalmeister....just the quote.




But. :lol: ......


I know I said I was done but I have one more point to make:

By trying to grab the mantle of being the real agent of "Change" from B. Obama in last night's speech, John McCain has fallen into the same trap that cost Hillary Clinton the Democratic nomination & will now hopefully cost McCain the actual election on 11/4.
Considering their long tenures as fixtures in Washington DC, for either H. Clinton or John McCain to try to wrestle that title (Change agent) away from Obama is not a sale that can be made. They are both rightly seen as part of the problem, not the solution!
That tactical blunder (& catastrophe for McCain) alone, is proof enough that John McCain doesn't have the judgment to be our next President, IMO.
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: BugsyR On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:30 pm

Just a few light hearted points.....

Devil505 wrote: No Mike...What I meant ( Chickens have come home to roost. ;)) is that after almost 14 years of Republican domination of Washington with a no oversight ....


Not in my opinion...I think you actually called them chickens because they were and are literally just sitting around clucking...you said it yourself...their ratings are down because of why??? ;) :lol: (coffee flavored!)

Coalmeister...HURRY see following link and edit!!!! http://nepacrossroads.com/about5508.html

CapeCoaler wrote:Too much computer work...and they do not leak gas... :D
DARN IT...I have to go check something!!! I'll be right back!

billw wrote: OK, getting off my soapbox now and returning to my plumbing project. :)
Put the plumbing away Bill!! This world needs more of your Common Sense...get back on your soapbox...that's an order!

Devil505 wrote: ...that I will continue to badger my brother coal burners (while staying on topic ;) ) until the election in November is over...
Why do I have a feeling it will never end? :lol:
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:35 pm

BugsyR wrote: Devil505 wrote: ...that I will continue to badger my brother coal burners (while staying on topic ;) ) until the election in November is over...

Why do I have a feeling it will never end? :lol:



A very good reason for everyone here not to vote for John McCain this November, or it might not!! :lol:
( I really don't care who you vote for, as long as his/her name is not followed by a capital "R".....They haven't earned it!)
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Re: Republicans: Only We Can Fix Mess We Caused!

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:55 pm

Devil505 wrote:
spc wrote:Why wouldn't Pelosi allow a vote on drilling for oil?


I'll let T. Bone Pickens answer that question. More drilling will not even put a dent in our energy dependence problem, & the little it would accomplish will take 10 years to be realized. More drilling is just a RNC smoke screen to hide behind & be able to point their fingers at anyone else for election rhetoric purposes only.
Oil men are running this country & have run it for for the last 8 years overtly......& ....I'll say it again....."The chickens are coming home to roost!"


Oilmen have always run this country and they always will. Before them it was the coal and railroadmen. After them it will be the alternative energy men. But, there will always be someone complaining that it's unfair. The golden rule is...he who has the gold, makes the rules.

Work hard, earn the gold, make the rules.

BTW, price is a function of supply and demand. More oil= lower price under constant demand.

Iraq was about oil. No doubt. It was about secure supplies, not stealing oil. The US has always paid for its oil. We just couldn't risk another crazy idiot in the ME causing havoc. Saddam had his chances to behave. The competitors for oil influence were growing too strong. The people of the US and the ROTW are certainly too dependent on oil. So much so that disruptions like Katrina, the Iraq war, Hugo Chavez' latest bee in his bonnet, etc. cause severe oil swings. Drilling in ANWAR would give greater buffer until alternatives are developed.

There is no single alternative energy. It will be a potpourri until fusion technology is online in about 27 years.
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