Daughter Ripped off?

Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Freddy On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:16 am

Hey Devil, I'm glad this has been straightened out. Common sense finally prevailed.

I've been to court for trivial things, less than $100. Once I took a Websters dictionary with me. I would this time too. There's not much wiggle room in the definition of a stove. Unless the reciept clearly said "stove body" I'm sure you'd have won the case no matter how high fa-lutin' thier lawyer was. I think they finally realized that.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:32 am

Freddy wrote:Hey Devil, I'm glad this has been straightened out. Common sense finally prevailed.



Thanks Freddy. While my daughter handled the dispute well, she waited & argued with the salesmen & lower echelon managers at the store too long until the top guy (or owner, I'm not sure) finally made the ethical decision to give her the door at no additional charge. I have always tried to instill in my daughters that if you have a problem, always go right to the top guy. Saves allot of aggravation!


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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:49 am

See below
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:24 am

This thread has gone on long enough butt...gotta disagree with you trader. If you buy a stove and the dealer delivers it, without a door? Naw, you are gonna win in court. As some said earlier, without a door,it's a paper weight.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:45 am

traderfjp wrote:I guess you didn't read my post carefully I didn't say to return the stove.


traderfjp wrote:The stove is incomplete. The correct thing to do is to return the stove and tell the guy to shove it high



Just being a wise guy trader... :P ( but you definitely should be working for the Bush administration! :lol: )



traderfjp wrote:Also, I was sued in federal court and our family lawyer suggested that we not try to defend ourselves because of the special procedures they have - he said we would mostly likely lose.



Of course a lawyer is going to tell you that traderfjp......That's how they make a living.......They want you to hire them! ;) I'm not advocating that you should never hire a lawyer, but that decision depends on:

1. The nature of the case (I wouldn't try to defend myself facing murder charges but I wouldn't hire a lawyer to defend me facing a $30.00 overdue library book charge in small claims court either)
2. Your own familiarity & comfort level in a courtroom.


In every minor civil action I have ever seen, or been party to, the judge will first try to get both parties to meet privately & see if they can settle their dispute b4 wasting the court's time. (Most courts have small conference rooms near by, set up for just this purpose) You'll be amazed just how reasonable the opposing lawyer can be to settle at these meetings. He/she knows that the judge will not look kindly on either side if the case could have been "reasonably" settled b4 wasting the court's time.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Jaan On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:53 am

jeromemsn wrote:Dang I sure hope Chevy, Ford, Chrysler and the others don't get wind of Harman's trick. I guess two door cars would make a quick comeback. Sheeesh :o
I bought a 1997 Chevy K2500 new that came with no rear bumper. I had to pay extra for it on the options sheet.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:57 am

Jaan wrote:bought a 1997 Chevy K2500 new that came with no rear bumper. I had to pay extra for it on the options sheet.



Many trucks come with no bumper due to the many different bumper types people want on their truck. (ie Step & Tow, pipe bumpers, Drop Bumpers, etc)
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:59 am

If the dealer has them on the showroom floor with a door. the literature shows it with a door etc I think its safe to assume you should expect to get a door unless they were told door was "optional". There's laws governing how you advertise a product. If you're going to show something and there is something that is not included especially as something as important as a door it better be made known its optional before you purchase it. This would be like a lawnmower salesman selling you a lawnmower without a pull cord... "ohh you want to start it? Pull cords extra" :lol:

If you check the brochure, it doesn't say "optional door" but "optional gold door". Under the options section there is no mention of "optional door"

Point is they should have gotten a door and i doubt there is court in this country that would disagree with that.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:01 am

This is my last post. Here is my original quote which isn't bastartized: "The correct thing to do is to return the stove and tell the guy to shove it high but the problem is that they may not be able to get the stove at another dealer. If it was me I would pay for the door and then dispute that charge."

I clearly stated that you shouldn't return the stove and that you should pay for the door and dispute the charge. Anyway, glad it all worked out.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:05 am

traderfjp wrote:Here is my original quote which isn't bastartized: "The correct thing to do is to return the stove and tell the guy to shove it high but the problem is that they may not be able to get the stove at another dealer. If it was me I would pay for the door and then dispute that charge."

I clearly stated that you shouldn't return the stove and that you should pay for the door and dispute the charge. Anyway, glad it all worked out.




Bastartized!!....I was just teasing you Trader!!....Come on....Give us a hug! :bighug:
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:08 am

It's all good. :D
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:12 am

Richard S. wrote:Point is they should have gotten a door and i doubt there is court in this country that would disagree with that.



Exactly right Richard.

To my way of thinking, (& again what I would have argued in court) a coal stove really has only one purpose: To provide heat.
If a store takes $1600.00 from a customer, whose obvious intention is to buy a heat source, & then fails to deliver a device capable of providing heat, I think it is an open & shut case.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:15 am

traderfjp wrote:This is my last post.




Then:




traderfjp wrote:It's all good. :D



Oh man!! I am even more aggravating than usual this morning...Eh Trader? :lol: :devil: :poke: :box:
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:16 am

traderfjp wrote:I clearly stated that you shouldn't return the stove and that you should pay for the door and dispute the charge.


Not so sure that is a good idea, you're purchasing a door and got a door. There's nothing to dispute and the store owner would most likely win that one in court. I'd imagine the court would look at it as theft of merchandise through fraud.
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Re: Daughter Ripped off?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:22 am

Naw! It's all very intersting. We like u fiesty!
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