Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: baldeagle On: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:42 pm

Say Doug --- Agree with tfaath about the 503, ours is an older model without the manual damper and as stated there is no room for a barometric damper. The quality is excellent and at reduced burn rates we leave Sat. after coffee and return for dinner on Sunday -- 30+ hours. My wife likes the top chute -- she fills and shakes the 503 but doesn't like to maintain a burn in the 354. Getting down to shake the integral handles on the 503 is easier for her than the longer more leveraged setup on the 354, we just dump fresh coal in from a coal scuttle - and done...no careful handwork with a shovel to "bank"
for the night. We burned nut the first year with some pea, last year all bagged Blashack pea and this year all Blashack nut.
Last year we had 5 bags of rice I burned with the pea; although buckwheat would be better it didn't like the rice at all! Had
to add about10# at a time on a good fire and then completely cover with the pea - or it just ended -up in the ash dump.
Burned 7000# in year 1, 7600# in year two and looks like 7000# this year..seems to use slightly more pea than nut and also seems to give of a little less heat when you leave the upper"air wash" open. Heating a 3 floor 2800 sq. ft. colonial house on days down into the single digits ... below 10F we cycle our gas/steam boiler to be sure the basement has some heat. This year on warmer days, we plan to only shake one grate to see if we can maintain a fire on one side only. As YOU do your instal try to get outside or basement fresh air -- you mention you are tight for space, but I wish I had raised the unit just on course of brick and left an airway to the old fireplace ash cleanout door .... would have been easier shaking and surely a reduced draft through the room. Best, baldeagle
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:19 pm

Copied a question from a different thread about a 503 to here.
All about that thread drift!
Seems the 503 is not putting out the heat.
So smaller Pea coal slows the burn? I feel like I've been going through alot of nut, with lots of shake-down crap (am shaking down 2x/day). If I shake only 1 grate, the coal on top of the other grate doesn't burn, or is that ok? Does pea have less ash?

I have a 1300 sf ranch, but the insert only seems to warm the room it's in and maybe some of the kitchen. Doesn't make it down the hall to the BR. Seems to keep temp in LR at a steady 70, but not more.

Does bulk need a storage system or can I have it dumped on the side of my driveway and cover with a tarp? Does it matter -- or is that only for aesthetic reasons?

Thanks,
Paula
Airflow is reduced by Pea, packs tighter less airflow therefore less heat.
This assumes you have sufficent draft, if you do not have the draft to pull air thru the pile do not go to Pea.
The 'rents have 2000 sq/ft and the 503 is only hitting 300*-325* to do so.
We can send the main room to over 95* if we crank the air!
Do you have a new this year 503 or an older one? new in 2008
The damper handle is new in 2008.
How much coal per day do you burn? 1 to 1 1/2 bags
Pictures of the install will help.
How was the install done? professionally, by the company I bought the insert from
Liner, insulated, full liner to top or just dumped past damper, chimney location, size of flue, height of flue.
LIned, insulated all the way to the top of the chimney; chimney on outside wall of house, don't know flue info.
Sounds like too much air is going thru the stove sending most of the heat up the flue.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: baldeagle On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:32 pm

Paula -- CapeCoaler's responses are spot on; you should easily heat a small ranch with a 503. As, above we do a 3floor
colonial with a 503. We do not have the adjustable manual draft --so all our draft is from the small openings in the ash door. I have seen other posts here from those with newer 503's that they Close the manual draft damper completely once they have an established fire ....... we do the same with our H354. Also do not use /try using only one grate if you need heat. This is an idea for a spring/fall days with temperatures in 50/60's. Good Luck, baldeagle
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:17 pm

Well you are just the best source CapeCoaler! Thanks!

From the thread you pointed me towards, I note two things: my insert wasn't insulated behind the shroud (can't feel any with I stick my hand in there either); and 2) my shroud isn't tight against the fireplace. I can "rock" my whole insert with my foot. I know I can't lift it to try to stick something under one end to make it even, but does the shroud not being insulated sound like something to be concerned about? I'm ready to call my dealer and make him come back out..

If it is lined to the top with a SS liner should not cause an issue but the fiberglass will minimize any thermal currents.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: Paula On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:23 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:
Well you are just the best source CapeCoaler! Thanks!

From the thread you pointed me towards, I note two things: my insert wasn't insulated behind the shroud (can't feel any with I stick my hand in there either); and 2) my shroud isn't tight against the fireplace. I can "rock" my whole insert with my foot. I know I can't lift it to try to stick something under one end to make it even, but does the shroud not being insulated sound like something to be concerned about? I'm ready to call my dealer and make him come back out..

If it is lined to the top with a SS liner should not cause an issue but the fiberglass will minimize any thermal currents.


I just checked out my installation instruction booklet, and it IS SUPPOSED TO BE INSULATED behind the shroud! I'll be calling the dealer soon. It is lined to the top with a SS liner, but hey -- if the installation was incomplete, someone's head WILL roll. :shock:
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: Paula On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:26 pm

baldeagle wrote:Paula -- CapeCoaler's responses are spot on; you should easily heat a small ranch with a 503. As, above we do a 3floor
colonial with a 503. We do not have the adjustable manual draft --so all our draft is from the small openings in the ash door. I have seen other posts here from those with newer 503's that they Close the manual draft damper completely once they have an established fire ....... we do the same with our H354. Also do not use /try using only one grate if you need heat. This is an idea for a spring/fall days with temperatures in 50/60's. Good Luck, baldeagle


Thanks BaldEagle -- yes, I'm finding CapeCoaler's info great. Something is wrong here clearly if you can heat a 3 floor colonial with a 503! I have had the manual draft damper completely closed all winter -- and the ash drawer air openings are only open a smidge, and the the coals stay hot just fine - but I just don't think it's throwing the kind of heat it should be.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:53 pm

Fans are blowing?
Is there air blowing out, a backward fan will not push air out.
What is the body temp on stove front?
Have you tried opening the draft handle about an inch?
Over fire air the thing by the glass closed?
Have the installer give you a demo.
Have them get the stove body to 400* and make the room hit 80*.
If they can get it to those points the stove is good, it just needs some operator adjustment!
Make a note of what they did to raise the temps.
Pictures help also inside, a shot of the chimney and nearby surroundings.
Open the ash door vents a bit more.
The size of a carpenters pencil works, slightly oval.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: Paula On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:11 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:Fans are blowing? fans are blowing all the time
Is there air blowing out, a backward fan will not push air out.
What is the body temp on stove front? thermostat on top of the stove says 400 degrees
Have you tried opening the draft handle about an inch? no - I think it's getting air fine from the ash door vents
Over fire air the thing by the glass closed? the air draft by the glass is closed (is that what you mean?)
Have the installer give you a demo.
Have them get the stove body to 400* and make the room hit 80*. the stove IS 400* and it's staying 70* in the LR - same as always - it never gets to 80
If they can get it to those points the stove is good, it just needs some operator adjustment!
Make a note of what they did to raise the temps.
Pictures help also inside, a shot of the chimney and nearby surroundings.
Open the ash door vents a bit more. have them opened about the size of a carpenter's pencil, which makes the stove hotter, but not the air blowing out (room temp)
The size of a carpenters pencil works, slightly oval.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: baldeagle On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:59 pm

Paula --- interesting thread, our experience is near identical on air; regular pencil down to about 25-30F 7 below in the 'teens a carpenter's pencil --- both give a good 12 hr. burn and keep the house warm (73-78) in the living room and 67-70
in hall and kitchen. I like your guess and CapeCoaler's idea to bring back the installer - our installer was very careful to seal the gap all around and under the appliance with fiberglass ....... IF there is heavy air infiltration the room would cool similar to a fireplace. Best, baldeagle
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:38 pm

Paula,
Is the air from the blower hot with some force?
Or is it weak and room temp?
The fans may be in backwards or there is blockage.
The squirrel fans will not move air if placed incorrectly.
At 400* body temp you should be roasting in the room!
Sounds like you are just getting radiant heat off the stove and no hot blowing air.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: baldeagle On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:54 pm

Paula -- just looked again & again agree with CapeCoaler --- I used a digital meat thermometer to measue the stove top temperature and the air exit temperatures. On my unit, with my thermometer, With fans on auto and a good fire we
measure at about 300F ........ with air exit temperatures of 290-305F. Running very hard doesn't raise our unit top much above 300F but the exit air has gone as high as 325F. Running hard we can touch the plastered side of the central fireplace on the second or third floor and it gets noticeably warmer. For the reason of this ( only partially) lost heat we don't push the
503 beyond the "carpenters" pencil opening when leaving unattended for the night or during the day. If you are at 400F?
Should have the main room hot! Hope to have helped, baldeagle
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: Paula On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:12 pm

CapeCoaler and Baldeagle - first and foremost, thanks to you both for giving such extraordinary attention to my lil ole 503 issues.
I spoke with Mark at Hitzer today and was told that the insulation behind the shroud is not that important; and that I should be shaking down the stove more than I have been. I should shake 3x/day, and shake until I can see the reflection of the hot coals in the ash drawer! Who knew it could be so simple! :idea: Also, I've been telling you readings of 400* stovetop, but I also had the thermometer on the hopper top, not to the side. (I've moved the thermostat to the side and it's now reading a steady 300*) - if it was still on the hopper top, it would be 400-500 I'm sure.

I had been shaking the ash down 2x/day, and very vigorously, but this guy said if I do it 3x/day and open the ash drawer air vent a little more and I won't have the 2-3" dead area of coal in the front of the hopper anymore, and it should boost the heat output. So, about 2:30 this afternoon, I shook the bastid like mad, then left for errands. When I got home around 5:00 pm, I thought I had walked into a dry sauna! Ripped my clothes off and ran around hooting and hollering with joy! (kidding) :lol: The temp had risen to 78* in the LR and all the coal, including the front 3-4" are all glowing, with really tall blue ladies dancing in the rear of the hopper; blower air temperature is up to 225* from 150*. What a difference! My problem may, in fact, be resolved ... right at the end of the damn season! I only have about 2 more weeks worth of coal anyway. But I'll know a bunch more for next winter! Those Hitzer folks were VERY helpful, as has everyone else in this forum. I'm glad I found it! Thanks again. - Paula
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: baldeagle On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:51 pm

Paula: Indeed CapeCoaler is quite correct in the points that we are covering; this morning (18F in WPA) the air was set on a slight oval from our 9:30 Shake before bed ....... room was 76 @ bedtime -- 71 in morning -- moved air to "carpenters"
pencil and shook at 8:30. At about 10:00 thought of the thread and measured air temperature at the discharge vents ---
on side of vent closest to coal temperature was 280, on outside of vent exit air was 265 measured with the point of thermometer 1/4 in inside the ornamental grate. Tonight room has risen to 76F. I still have the thought you should check for air entering the shroud enclosure .... we did this with our former fireplace insert by holding an incense stick
and watching the smoke. None Was Pulled In, we have done the same for the Hitzer's air intake and I know considerable
air enters around and through the center of the oak "French Doors" in our 1936 LR. We like the look enough not to change
but we will find a method to get combustion air quite close to the ash door intakes if we are still here next year.
Stay Toasty, baldeagle
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: VanBuren On: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:23 pm

Gents

hope everyone is well and got enough coal for the final month or so. I think i'll get by barely on the 4 tons - next year 5 tons will be my order for sure.

Got a wee blowout this morning that was stonger than usual and am hoping for suggestions based on simialr experiences. I did read the small explosion thread but exact replica was not there.

Usually when I open the hopper lid on the top (depending on how long and how much coal is left) I'll get a small pop and I always open the hopper slowly and away from me. Last night I filled hopper and becuase of the 40degree temp outside I left it running very low last night. This meant that much of the coal was still unburned in the hopper. When I opened it therefore I got a much stonger pop and blue blowout. When I open the hopper I usually close all air flow, ash pand vent and restrictor first.

Has anyone else had a blowout of this strength under similar circumstances with the 503 hopper and if so any suggestions to avoid it ? Please advise if you usually have ashpan vent and door and restrictor all closed when opening the hopper lid

look forward to thoughts - thanks in advance !

Van
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Re: Hitzer 503 Installation Photos

PostBy: JafaDog On: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:21 pm

Hey Van. I think you might be getting this because you're shutting down the air supply prior to opening the hopper lid. I generally open the restrictor all the way and, if the fire is not going good (i.e., "lively"), I will open up the ash pan dampers enough to get it going before opening the hopper lid. There have been times (very infrequent) that I'll open the ash pan door in order to liven up a very sluggish fire.

If you shut off the restrictor and damper, volatile gases can collect in the hopper and ignite when fresh air is let in through the hopper opening when you remove the lid. If you open the restrictor and dampers first, the volatiles should go up the chimney rather than collecting in the hopper.

At least that's the theory I'm going with. I've done it this way since Day One and never had a puff-back caused by opening the hopper lid. I had one when I opened the front door, but it was a sluggish fire....

As for coal supply, I'm still averaging a bag a day and have enough of my 4.8 tons left to go to June 12 if I needed to. Better too much than not enough!
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