What the media doesn't report

What the media doesn't report

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:00 pm

I found this to be enlightening..



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Note the comment about Bill Clinton.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:23 pm

Makes perfect sense to me.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:38 pm

I find this very enlightening too. It is famous oil man T. Boone Pickens energy plan in which has says we can't drill our way to energy independence. We need to get off oil & switch to alternative energy sources. (Wind, nuclear, etc)
As long as oil men run the country, & bribe ..(..err...I mean contribute to their campaigns) our Congressmen, we will always remain dependent on their product.
We all really understand that.

Opinion: The "Drill Now" mantra that the McCain campaign yells out now is merely a cheap, election eve campaign tactic. John McCain has very recently flip-flopped to agree with Bush's drill now tactics, which he opposed offshore drilling for years.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: spc On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:26 pm

Everybody's plan includes using alternative energy sources but part of the plan has to include [size=200]drilling[/size]. Sorry but anyone who can't understand this is very short sighted. :crazy: Until we get these alternative energy sources up to a point where it makes a dent in energy use we have to either drill here or buy from other countries. It is irresponsible to have an energy plan that doesn't include domestic drilling. And please get off the "talking point" it will take 10 years before we see oil.

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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:33 pm

Obama doesn't want to drill or has he changed his mind? This is the one issue that will keep him from getting elected.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: spc On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:40 pm

Tree huggers have BO, Pelosi, and Reed in their back pocket.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:42 pm

Both Ron Paul & Obama now agree that a comprehensive plan will have to include the very small overall contribution of offshore drilling. McCain wants you to believe that this will be a major factor in reaching energy independence. Both Ron Paul & even Obama will do it, but aren't trying to "Con" the voters into believing it's the major step we need to take. Only McCain is trying to BS us.
All the candidates were against more drilling, b4 they were fore it...Even McCain.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:51 pm

traderfjp wrote:Obama doesn't want to drill or has he changed his mind? This is the one issue that will keep him from getting elected.


His stance has slowly changed from no drilling to "supporting" drilling but it's nothing but lip service from the Democrats for the election.

Democrats Oil Drilling Plan: Smoke and Mirrors

Basically most of the oil available will be off limits with their plan. This allows them to say they support drilling and still appease the environmentalists because a majority of it can't be drilled. Typical double talk.... Same with his plans for coal, He'll spout off about publicly supporting coal especially in coal states yet if you look at his plans no new coal plants will be built until they perfect the CO sequestration process which is unrealistic.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:56 pm

Obama has a lot of plans but not much money in the till to do anything. It's like me telling my wife if she can have a Mercedes yet I work at Taco Bell. It won't happen. How can we pay for a universal health care system when we are in such debt and our Senior citizens who worked their whole lives are in Jeopardy of losing their benefits. Yikes batman!
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: spc On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:05 pm

Devil505 wrote:Both Ron Paul & Obama now agree that a comprehensive plan will have to include the very small overall contribution of offshore drilling.


Ron Paul's bill sure sounds like a big offshore drilling contribution.

"To reduce the price of gasoline by allowing for offshore drilling, eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries, suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount, and promoting free trade.
TERMINATION OF RESTRICTIONS ON OIL AND NATURAL GAS DEVELOPMENT ON FEDERAL LANDS."

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/billte ... =h110-2415
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:10 pm

spc wrote:Ron Paul's bill sure sounds like a big offshore drilling contribution.


It is! (but even he will admit to what T. Boone Pickens has said...that we can't drill our way to energy independence. Only McCain is trying to con us with that BS for the election.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:42 pm

Con? If there is any con its the Democrats jumping on the bandwagon with a drilling plan that allows no drilling. :roll:

The point is devil any oil is a start, you have to start somewhere.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:15 am

Richard S. wrote:The point is devil any oil is a start, you have to start somewhere.


No argument on trying every alternative to oil, including tax incentives for coal. My argument is with McCain's use of this issue as an insulting way of trying to scare up votes. We all know that offshore drilling will amount to a mere "drop in the bucket" (pardon the pun) & will have virtually no effect on gasoline prices & our dependence on foreign oil, but only McCain is lying to us about it's real importance. All other candidates are being honest about it but McCain is not.
McCain has been against offshore drilling for many years, until his campaign seized on it as a smart political tactic & he flip-flopped to join his buddy Bush & accomplish another goal that will really only help big oil make even more money!
It's just another "Talking Point" from the McCain/Bush camp. They figure that chanting 'Drill Now" is short enough for even us idiots to remember & sounds great for the TV cameras!
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:56 am

spc wrote:Everybody's plan includes using alternative energy sources but part of the plan has to include [size=200]drilling[/size]. Sorry but anyone who can't understand this is very short sighted. :crazy:


Not shortsighted, blind.
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Re: What the media doesn't report

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:04 am

coaledsweat wrote: spc wrote:Everybody's plan includes using alternative energy sources but part of the plan has to include drilling. Sorry but anyone who can't understand this is very short sighted. :crazy:



Not shortsighted, blind.




OK...Everyone now agrees to offshore drilling! (Bush/MccCain/Exxon-Mobil have won....the only real benefit will be increased profits for big oil but....You won!)
Next Bush/McCain "Talking Point" please.
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