Regulations for Coal Stoves

That's funny because I wanted to sell a special recipe for cat food that my cat does well on and there were so many hoops to jump through before I could bring the product to market but you can sell an appliance that could burn your whole family down. So you're only putting in 300.00.

traderfjp wrote:So you're only putting in 300.00.

Nope, $1,300. I'm doing all the legwork! (that is, pulling your leg until the money is gone)

Here in Maine you can bake cookies or fudge and have a corner store sell them for you. I'm not sure when or at what level you need to start jumping hoops. As long as the ingrediants is on the product, sell!

I remember a woman in Farmington, CT that baked cookies in her home. She had to start jumping through those hoops when tractor trailers started showing up at her home in the early morning to pick up the cookies!

We, had a woman that sold home baked cookies to street customers in the quaint old town area of our county seat. It's against MD health regulations to sell most things that are not prepared in a commercial kitchen. The health department found her a nearby commercial kitchen in the towns volunteer fire department and she continued baking and selling.

Back on the subject,, regulations for cookies,,, oops, I mean coal stoves..

With the terrible mismanagement of the anthracite mining regulations, treating anthracite mines like bituminous mines.. [they have very different saftey needs and requirements] which has resulted in many mines being closed for good, I shudder to think what a government agency would to with coal stoves and boilers..

Lets see, the AHS and AA boilers would be no more, the ocassional 'puff-back' that a few owners have experienced would black-ball them perminantly..

All flat bed stokers would be no more, if the draft is set wrong, and/or the hopper run low, or the cover left off the hopper, a hopper fire can result.. so they ar black-balled as well.

All hand feed stoves will be gone too, the minor explososion from dumping a large load of fresh coal on the fire, and not leaving an open flame resulting in a flue-ripping puff-back would for sure black-ball these 'dangerous' units..

Now.. if the stove operators follow the owners manuals, the stove company's directions and the dealers directions, for the most part all the above issues are covered and minimized.. once experienced they won't be repeated..once the issue is discovered and the proceedure modified, there rarely are any more issues with coal stoves

I can see the hand feed stoves with a government-approved coal feeding device,, allowing only 3.5 pounds of coal to be added to the fire per minute, with a klaxon alarm going off if the door is opened during loading, with an auto-dial to the 911 and firedepartment.. yep, our government would fix the coal stoves.. that 's for sure..

Greg L

With all the stuff happening with food and medicine, I think it is best to leave the government out of the anthracite loop.

traderfjp wrote:You can't use cardboard, hemp, or any type of plastics when designing the walls.-

Why can't you Cheech and Chong made a van out of it!

I heard they are making a new movie.

greg, you're absolutely right. we do not need the gov't involved in regulating any more than they are currently; especially with coal stoves. it's up to YOU to figure out if you have the knowlege to operate a coalburning appliance and to obtain any knowlege that you might not have. why does everyone have to be babysat these days. *censored*.

I don't want the gov. to get involved but what happens if Reading or another company produces a new stove with a design flaw and it kills 50 people with monoxide poisining. It's not like an electric tooth brush that may give u a mild electrical shock if it's not designed properly.

As stated before, We don't need gov involvement as the industry already polices itself.

Stoves still have to meet ASME, ANSI/ UL 1482 and cerified by a testing group like Warnock hersey, CONHAM or the like. It is a very tedious process and the plans would have to be drawn up by a ASME recognized mechanical engineer to even be considered for marketing to the general public.

gambler wrote:As stated before, We don't need gov involvement as the industry already polices itself.

gambler wrote:Stoves still have to meet ASME, ANSI/ UL 1482

I'm surely not saying the feds should get involved, but as stated earlier, I don't think it's true that the stoves have to meet any requirement. The standard AHS meets none, yet is a great product.

there have been appliances in the past built to strict regs, yet something malfunctioned etc. and killed people, regulation is no guarentee of safety. In addition our legal system has devices in place to offer incentive to not build things that are very likely to injure or kill people and penalties both civil and criminal if they do. additional regulation is absurd uneccesary and unlikely to achieve any benefits; except that everyone will have to pay a premium for addtional product testing/ certifications in the price of their stove and it will likely make it very hard for small manufacturors who likely make a great product.

There is no need to have a giant shop to build coal stoves. It is perfectly reasonable to subcontract out parts of the work. There are plenty of job shops with numerically controlled plasma cutters or laser cutters that would be happy to cut flat parts for you to your CAD file or paper print.
Go to one of these shows (free if you preregister)

http://www.d2pshows.com/

and there will be hundreds of people there who want to make your parts.

If you need parts bent, then people will bend them for you. You can do the final assembly/welding yourself if you want. With all the expired patents that are lying around you have many proven designs to choose from. As far as submitting to UL or CSA, they look at the finished product. I have only seen them ask for drawings when they want to look at power supply schematics or circuit diagrams. No ASME engineers needed to make drawings. We are not building a nuclear power plant or a bridge here.

All good points. I would love to try to build a stove. I need a good name first. How about the Fireball, Nukem 203, Happy Heat, The Stroker, Burning Envy, Light My Fancy, Little Miss Hot Ball, Hot Balls, etc.