burning down the house

burning down the house

PostBy: acesover On: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:26 am

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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:28 pm

Devil 505:

Look at the video at about 3:45

Now, explain why GWB, McCain etal are responsible for the mess we are in..

Excellent video.. except for the last few seconds.. the campaign ad was not needed , the first part of the Video made the point.

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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:34 pm

LsFarm wrote:Now, explain why GWB, McCain etal are responsible for the mess we are in..


I'll watch it Greg i you can assure me the video explains how:

1. With almost 8 years in the White House, GW Bush was not able to correct the problems?

2. With control of our Congress for 12 of the last 14 years, The Republican Party was not able to fix the problems & what specific things John McCain did to fix it........I said "things" (plural) not a single "thing" (singular) done for political "posturing"?


If you'll assure me that the video will clear up those 2 questions, I will take the time to watch it. If it doesn't, I'm not wasting my time. I trust your honesty to provide those assurances.
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:44 pm

Yes the video DOES answer those questions.

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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: vtec350 On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:39 pm

Devil505 wrote:I'm not wasting my time


I love that when it's a Dems. fault you guys don't have the time but you have all the time in the world when it's the Reps. fault :lol: :lol:

Besides, you're confined to the basement for giving your wife that Vacuum :P :lol:
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:53 pm

LsFarm wrote:Yes the video DOES answer those questions.

Greg


OK,

I appreciate your assurance & will watch it later when I have more time. I'll let you know what I think at that point. :)

( I would like your reaction to my "Bailout Proposal" ( A Bailout Propsal ) ideas when you have the time to read it too.)
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:25 pm

OK...I watched as much of it as I could stomach without losing my lunch! :sick:

Let me see if I get the main thrust of this Republican Finger Pointing piece of pornographic video:


1. The poor innocent Bush administration (& John McCain) have been the powerless, innocent victims of an evil Democratically controlled scam of epic proportions, to line their (Democrats) pockets at the expense of us taxpayers. (everyone knows the Republicans are the good guys anyway.......Just look at their American Flag lapel pins for proof!)

2. While the Republicans had complete control of both the White House and the Congress for most of GW Bush's Presidency, the evil Democrats, with a minority vote in Congress & very restricted oversight ability, somehow were able to block the "Righteous" Republicans from protecting the American people from their (Democrats) evil ways, a wreak havoc on our whole financial system?...Have I got the Bush/McCain/Rove/Limbaugh argument down pretty well?

If that is what you truly believe, I have 2 questions:

1.With almost total control of our government for 8 years, wouldn't you agree that the Bush Administration & the Republican controlled Congress should have been able to stop the Democrat's evil intentions & save our country from them?
Aren't they (Republicans) therefore guilty of such gross ineptitude that they do not deserve to ever govern again?

2. If what you believe is true, why are the Republicans in such horrible public approval shape this year that they are projected to lose very many seats in Congress to the "evil" Democrats ( in November) & probably lose the White House to a relatively unknown, first term black Senator with an arguably crazy Reverend?


Why don't most Americans see the world the way your video projects it?



Answer: Because it simply isn't true & we all know it.
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:24 pm

Dev, I believe most Americans DO see 'it' the way the video states it..

Only you with your "HATE BUSH and ANYTHING REPUBLICAN" regardless of the facts point of view don't see the video for what it is.. it is validation for all the people who don't like Obama, and would much rather see McCain in office than the Democratic slight-of-hand Charlatan.

Actually it is a validation for your latest stance on the Dems as well.. they haven't done squat except play party politics since they have the power in congress..

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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:10 pm

LsFarm wrote:Dev, I believe most Americans DO see 'it' the way the video states it..


There's a very simple way to see which one of us is right about how most Americans feel:

I think most people will agree that an election provides the most accurate glimpse of how the American public is thinking.

Therefore

Are you willing to make a public wager on whether or not the Republicans will gain or lose seats (to the Democrats) in both Houses of Congress on November 4th? I am. :devil: (maybe a little coal as a wager?)

(I believe the Democrats presently hold a slight majority in the House of 230 seats out of 435 total seats. If the American people think the way you believe, the Republicans should gain some seats on 11/4....Right?.....I'll bet the Democrats will gain seats, which will prove my argument. (I further believe it will be a substantial defeat for The Republicans) Agree to letting the election decide which one of us is right?
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:49 pm

Sorry, Dev. That video just reaffirms why I am a Republican. I guess I'm doomed to drink the Kool-Aid! ;)
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:59 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:orry, Dev. That video just reaffirms why I am a Republican. I guess I'm doomed to drink the Kool-Aid! ;)


We are all free to believe what we will in this country John, & I respect all thoughtfully arrived at decisions no matter what they are.
The debate Greg & I are having is whether the majority of the American voters believe as Greg & you do. I don't believe that & I think the 11/4 election will prove I am right. It's only a few weeks away (Thank God!) so.....We'll see who's right soon enough. Stay Tuned!
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:00 pm

Agreed!
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: spc On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:01 pm

Are you kidding me, first, many voter don't even know who their congressmen are, let alone what caused the house to burn down. Second, this would never play in the msm & the masses aren't running to youtube for it.

Most viewed Youtube video this month:



Go figure. :lol:
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: charlie On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:09 pm

Devil - I'll bet ya a shoebox full of coal that the Republicans win more seats. I'd bet more than that, but if the Dems win, they'll take it all away from me and give it to someone else anyway. AND they'll probably give it to someone who heats with electric and make me pay the freight! AND I'd still owe you a shoebox full.
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Re: burning down the house

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:21 pm

Republican's did not have "complete control" of the congress for much of the last 8 years. From Jan 2001 - Jan 2003 the Senate changed hands 4 times because it was a 50/50 split with people jumping parties, a senator dying, and a late term replacement that created a techinical change of hands but no actual change since the senate was out of session. Jan 2003 - Jan 2007 Republicans had a majority and held narrow control. Dems got it in Jan 2007 to present. So over the last 8 years, dems had it for 3.5 years and Repubs had it for 4.5 years. Source: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

The senate is not like the House where simple majority makes you able to do what you want. You may recall all the rancor during those first 2 years where it was changing hands so often. Also a number of virtual filibusters (threatening filibuster to force the need for a 60 vote majority to win cloture and bring the bill to an up or down floor vote) that happened in that 03-07 period. There was the famous "gang of 14" headed up by McCain to broker a bipartisan effort to break the log jam on federal and supreme court nominations. This was needed because republican's couldn't rule the roost with the narrow majority they had, the minority democrats had a great deal of power over what came up for vote. Same goes for 07-present where the Senate Dems have been all but impotent to get a damn thing done, much to the chagrin of the hard left base voters that got them there. Though in their case it has been more about not even trying than being blocked by Republicans. That and waiting out the end of the administration and the current vote balance in the Senate in the hopes of getting a 60 seat majority in the Senate and winning the WH. If that were to happen then one could actually say truthfully that Democrats will have near total control of the federal government.

I note that Bush, Greenspan, McCain and a number of others made their attempts to wake people up to this looming threat in that 2003-2007 period, and were shut down each time by Senate democrats. As much as you'd like to think of Bush as Czar of the country and Republicans as supreme rulers of the congress, it simply is not even remotely the case.

The House is a more clear case with Republican control from 2001-2007 and Dems 2007-present. And because the rules of the House are such that majority has a great deal of power in just about everything, it is fair to say the Republicans had "complete control" of the House during that time. I make no excuses for their inability to move some legislation of the kind McCain and others in the Senate and White House were suggesting, except to say that if it failed to get footing in the upper chamber then it made little sense for them to do anything on it in the lower chamber. The fact is the media was not interested in it, the democrats were singing "let the good times roll", Bush didn't use his bully pulpit nearly enough on this and the few people who were raising the red flags on this looming crisis (though not even they likely understood the magnitude of what it would become) were Republicans.

And that video was very good. Cuts were a bit too frenetic for my taste, but it was highly effective in making the case for a large Democrat hand in this mess. Despite it's partisan bent, it presented nothing but critical facts that aren't making it into the mainstream discussion of this as of yet and presented them in a clear, linear narrative. There is certainly a Bush/Republican role in this mess, but it is not the "deregulation" angle that is being parroted around as of late. It is the maintenance of very low Fed interest rates for too long after the recovery from the dot com and 9/11 recessions. However, this did not create the problem, it only accelerated it. The fact is the Dems planted this time bomb over the past 30 years are wrongly getting away with their repeated denials of responsibility on this mess. I don't blame them entirely, but they had a far larger hand in it than is being acknowledged and it is clear they haven't learned a damned thing as a result of this. They are still pushing the same crap that gave birth to this. Saying the most important thing is to keep people, who can't afford it, in their homes. No sense of pulling back on fiscally unsound mandates for banks to give loans for low income, risky borrowers. Attempting to create a new revenue stream to feed their ACORN slush fund in the bailout bill! All the while saying it is Republicans who are being irresponsible and standing in the way of a deal being struck. It feel like I'm in bizzaro world.
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