Jotul 507B, BTU Output?

 
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Post by jotuler » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 4:25 pm

I heated the first floor of an uninsulated 1800 sf house in the 1980's. I think it's a great stove but I think it would better serve as a heater for a very large room. It's easy to push these stoves too hard and over fire them. You can still find all the replacement parts less the original outside castings, but parts are a little on the expensive side and a couple of the firebricks are shaped. The 507 stoves are popular in Europe for good reason, its a great stove (thats twice I've said that). As I recall I spent $600 for mine back in the 80's, and would pay that much a 507b today thats in reasonable shape.
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Post by LsFarm » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 5:17 pm

Hi Jotuler, can you compare the quantity of coal the Jotul could hold to the quantity in your Harman MarkII ? In your experience how long could the Jotul burn when you were burning it pretty hot?? and when you were just keeping above a 'simmer'. ??
This info may help Wayne..

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Post by jotuler » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 6:11 pm

Greg,
I used Both pea and nut and had the best luck with nut. In early and late winter I could get 9-10 hours on a full load (maybe a bucket load and heavy change) but the 507 dosen't approach what the markII can put out even though I just bought the Harman and have only done some preliminary burns. Trying to heat a house at70 deg. would stress the 507. The Harman will definitly put out more heat but it holds a lot more coal (x2 min.). I don't have long time expierence with running both side by side. I still have to put up a chimney for the jotul (it's on my list) but I'll keep a running commentary when I can do a comparrison. All that being said,if I were going to heat a more that 1500 sf or more than one floor I would go bigger than the Jotul 507. I plan to use the markII as a main heating source (basement) and the 507 to heat around the edges on the first floor.
Most of what I remember about burning the jotul is a stroll down amnesia lane. But some things you don't forget, like what kept your family warm when things weren't so good. I have very fond memories of that 507. It's one of the few things my son put "dibs" on when I go to that great coal bin in the sky (or basment, the jury's still out).
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Post by LsFarm » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 6:37 pm

I'm sure that this info will help.

I remember when I was burning wood in the 80's, not a great time for my finances either.. I couldn't afford the natural gas.. I can't remember what the bill was, but I didn't want to pay it..so I did an amazing amount of work cutting, splitting and hauling wood.. all for maybe a few hundred a month in natural gas.

Now I'd kill for a natural gas bill, only propane or oil here, and propane is prohibitively expensive to use in this old farmhouse.

Well the cold weather is on the way, 51* for a high today, 39* tonight and tomorrow night..

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Post by sharkman8810 » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 9:36 pm

I just noticed on the items for sale forum the hitzer 50-93. This would be a great stove I think for you. Look at it on hitzers site and the price isn't to bad. Just an idea for you.

 
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Post by the snowman » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 10:39 pm

Greg L:

The guy who owns the Jotul (Lewis) contacted me this evening and I am to take a look at it tomorrow afternoon. He stated that according to the id plate the unit was manufactured in 1981. I will try to remember to take some pics and post them and let you know how I made out. Wayne.

 
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Post by the snowman » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 10:47 pm

Jotuler:

I am looking to heat around 1100 sq ft of space. Do you remember what the BTU output of your Jotul was? I appreciate all of the info you guys are giving me. Thanks. wayne.


 
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Post by the snowman » Wed. Oct. 01, 2008 10:52 pm

Greg:

I thought my temps were low with 45 at night and daytime high of 59 to 60. Sure makes the hardwood floors a little cool in the a.m. Wayne.

 
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Post by jotuler » Thu. Oct. 02, 2008 12:15 pm

Snowman,
Tug hill? I grew up in Wayne County off the lake and used to hunt up there. Cold and snow is a discription that does not do the place justice. I'm sorry I don't know the output of the 507. If I were to venture a guess I woud say between 50-60K. when I burned the 507 I lived in Orange County (NY) where the winters aren't as bitter, so unless your house is built like a thermos jug or has an open layout so circulation isn't complicated you are definitly at the upper end of the 507 output.
You can find parts for the 507 at stovepartsplus.com. You might want to check the site out before you inspect the stove so if you have to replace any thing you have an idea of the cost and what new parts look like to determine wear (good pictures in color). If it's been burned hard the baffle (lift the top piece) side plates will be warped or burned through. The fire brick is shaped for this stove so if there is standard size brick in there it's been changed. Also check the enamel for chips and cracks.
If I think of anything else I'll let you know.

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Post by the snowman » Thu. Oct. 02, 2008 12:42 pm

Jotuler:

Thanks for the info on what to look for. As for the winter last season her on the Tug Hill. I could walk from the snowbank onto the roof of the first story of my house Approx 12ft to the roof line. I was glad when it finally stop snowing for the season. The snow was so high I couldn't get the blower to blow any higher. I am suppose to look at the Jotul at 5 tonight. I will let you know as to what I see. I plan on closing most of the house; so I will be down to 1060 sq ft to heat this season. About 200 of it is on the second floor and I don't have an open floor plan. I used two fans last season with my wood stove to move the heat in the house. One fan at the stove and another to push it around a corner into the rest of the rooms. Do you think 1060 would be pushing the Jotul? Thanks wayne.

 
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Post by jotuler » Thu. Oct. 02, 2008 6:21 pm

Wayne,
Sorry I missed your posting I just got home from work. At 1060sf I'd buy it, if it's in decent shape. Let us know how you made out.
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Post by the snowman » Thu. Oct. 02, 2008 11:26 pm

Hey everyone:

I went and looked at the Jotul and it turned out to be a wasted trip. The stove had been over fired, I mean really really over fired. All of the fire bricks are toast. I didn't think you could actually get a fire hot enough to burn almost all the way through fire bricks. Is that actually possible? It looked like it had been exposed to the temps of the sun. The entire inside is wasted. The grates are melted and missing a couple of pieces, the grate support done, anything steel or cast inside the stove is either bowed or cracked. On a positive note the outside looked great; no cracks. The guy selling it is a doctor and the stove was in a house he had and he thought he would be able to sell it. After I politely told him it wasn't worth anything he asked if I would be interested if he drastically lowered the price. I told him sure! Tell me the words free and we have a deal. I'm not sure the stove could be fixed. I looked at the parts at stovepartsplus.com and if it could be fixed, it would cost a pretty penny to do so. So, the search for a coal stove continues. I sent a message to the guy who listed the Hitzer for sale on this forum and he said he had already agreed to sell it to someone else and he was suppose to finalize the deal today. That is too bad. I'll keep everyone up to speed as my search continues. I tend to take a couple of breaks from the wood shop during the day and come in and jump online for a short period especially when I have stuff drying. I'm sure I'll find something to bug you guys with a lot of questions about. I wish I had remembered to take my camera because you guys would be really interested to see the inside of this stove. Anyway, I want to thank everyone for all the help and telling me what to look for with this stove. It was a great great help. Thanks. wayne.

 
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Post by coalkirk » Fri. Oct. 03, 2008 7:31 am

That's too bad. But next time....PICTURES! :mad: :taz:

 
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Post by conradoptics » Mon. Feb. 22, 2010 9:07 am

Do you think I could burn wood in one of those coal stoves? I found one on Craigs List and want to buy it for my off grid cabin. I like the small footprint.

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Post by the snowman » Mon. Feb. 22, 2010 12:32 pm

conradoptics:

You can burn wood in the Jotul, however, the wood has to be cut very very small, around six inches in length and it must be small in diameter. I have burned wood in mine and they burn wood nicely, however, since the wood has to be cut in such short small pieces, you can not get a lot of wood in the stove. The wood burns up pretty quickly due to the small amount you can stack in the stove. I have tried to stand up the pieces of wood in the stove, however, wood doesn't like to be burned standing upright and you still are limited to a small amount of wood the stove can hold. If you need the stove to put out the heat, which they can really slam out the heat, you will have very short burn times between loading. The Jotul is at its best burning coal. The Jotul burns coal without slicing, poking or ash build up. It is a very efficient coal burner that can put out the heat. The Jotul can burn pea, nut, stove, and egg coal. The egg coal is the hardest for the stove to burn due to the size of the coal. I have one Jotul burning stove coal and the other burning nut. This season my two Jotul's are heating the entire 2500 sq. ft. of my old farm house to an average temp of 74 F no matter what the outside temp is. If your looking to burn coal and want a very small foot print stove that can produce heat, the Jotul is the stove. If your looking to burn wood in one and get a lot of heat and long burn times, the Jotul would not be the stove to have. If you have any questions concerning the stove, just ask. Keep us up to speed on your decision and if you do purchase the stove post some pics.

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