Local stove shop sold out

Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Heish1 On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:20 pm

We have two stove shops in our area and both are sold out of hand fed coal/wood stoves. I really am new to this whole idea of hand fed coal stoves, but coming from a fireplace, to a pea coal fed insert and now natural gas logs, I know I'm ready for a hand fed coal stove. Here is my background. We put on an open addition, 500 square feet with cathedral ceilings. This room opens up into our kitchen and our other family room where the gas logs are. I am hoping to heat these areas with a litle overflow into our mud/entry way and our hallway to the bedrooms. I do not have a fireplace chimney to utilize and am hoping to get away with some sort of stove pipe put into the side of the wall going outside. My question is, does anyone have any idea what stove would be best for me that isn't going to cost me a ton of cash? And another question is, if you know of one, do you have any idea where I can purchase one, or have one delivered and installed in Carlisle Pa 17015? Thank you so much and I really hope someone can point me in the right direction.
Heish1
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harmon Mark II

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:45 pm

Hello Heish1 welcome to the forum. Grab your favorite beverage and get comfortable in front of your computer.. there are several threads on the forum on these topics..

All new production for coal stoves, coal boilers, coal furnaces is sold out untill roughly March of next year.. if you find a stove for sale in a shop, it would have to be old stock or from a very smart shop owner who ordered a lot of stock early in the year.

If you call around you might find a shop with a few stoves in stock,, but hurry, they are going fast..

The best way to vent a coal stove is with a masonry chimney, the next best way is a prefab Stainless steel chimney.. next is a Power Vent or a stove with a Direct Vent system.. If you can afford it get a masonry chimney installed, and you can forget about chimney issues for the foreseeable future.

Take a look at these sites,
http://www.hitzer.com
http://www.keystoker.com
http://www.Leisurelinestoves.com
http://www.harmanstoves.com
http://www.bakerstoves.com




If one of the above links doesn't work, just google the name and you should find the correct site address.

You may want to consider a stoker stove as well as a hand fired stove.

The only way you are going to get a stove this fall regardless of money spent is to find a leftover instock stove, or find a used stove in either a local paper or bulletin board. or on http://www.craigslist.com or http://papershop.com/ or even on our 'items for sale' forum near the bottom of the 'home page' or the forum index page.. There have been several good buys on good used stoves and a few new ones as well in the last month.

Hope the above helps..

Greg L

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LsFarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: sharkman8810 On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:01 pm

I hear ya, i wasnt to impressed with the stove shops we have in our area, if we are looking at the same ones. I'm in marysville. Landscape II is on the pike and actually dealt in coal stoves, they carried hitzer and when i looked at them last year they had some stock, dealt in used (seemed overpriced too) but i didnt go back as they had bankers hours and tough to communicate with. Another store is coal energy plus near the capital city airport was all wood pellets, i'd just give them a call just to see. There is a shop on bridge street lemoyne i can't remember the name was mostly wood pellet but did deal in coal stoves, and i'd give a call too. Everybody was just a catalogue, and no real inventory in the area. If you like hitzer maybe give blain supply (blain pa)a call, they were gonna put an order in and he might have inventory. This is who i ordered from and had the best prices. Another place to call is bradlies appliance in Duncannon, and see if he has anything. I hoped i managed to give you a start, I'll try and remember to check on this post to see if you have any other questions.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 82 ul
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 82 u.l.

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Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Heish1 On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:11 pm

Wow, thank you both. I managed to keep chugging since my original post and AES Hearthplace "may" be getting in a Harman Mark III late in the season. Problem is, I'd have to chuck out 2G's now, just to guess that it "May" be here in late December. I'll keep checking and will try the leads you suggested.

Thanks a ton!
Heish1
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harmon Mark II

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: acesover On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:14 pm

Try Baker stoves, not too far south of Harrisburg. Google Baker stoves, I think he has some in stock.
Ray
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Stove/Furnace Make: Baker
Stove/Furnace Model: insert, modified

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:37 pm

Heish1 wrote:Wow, thank you both. I managed to keep chugging since my original post and AES Hearthplace "may" be getting in a Harman Mark III late in the season. Problem is, I'd have to chuck out 2G's now, just to guess that it "May" be here in late December. I'll keep checking and will try the leads you suggested.

Thanks a ton!

Hi Heish1 Try both Baker stoves and Alaska stoves both are not as back up as the rest of the stove companies you should beable to get a hand fed stove from either Place good luck You might want to check with Keystoker to they have a lead time on there Stoker boilers but not as much time with there hand fed stoves If you are interested in used refurb stove's PM Me


http://www.bakerstoves.com/stoves3.htm


http://www.alaskastove.com/cms/index.ph ... &Itemid=33
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


http://www.keystoker.com/
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1986 Electric Furnace Man 520 DF
Stove/Furnace Make: Electric Furnace Man
Stove/Furnace Model: DF520

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Heish1 On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:40 pm

Ok, update time. I found a Harman Mark II, five years old not far from my house. Is there anything I should be aware of before going to look at this stove and possibly making a purchase?

Thanks for the Baker Stove idea. Growing up we had a baker stove. Man did I ever get tired cutting, stacking and carrying that wood up and down steps for all those years!
Heish1
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harmon Mark II

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:57 pm

On a Harman Mark series, the grates should be flat, that is straight.. they should not sag.. if they do, this indicates over heating. if the sag is slight, and the shaker handle still can move the grates back and forth without binding, they they should work fine..
Cracked firebricks are OK, they only cost about a dollar each. Clouded glass is normal as well as the door gaskets being frayed..

There is a flat shelf or baffle above the firebox that if the stove was badly overheated may be eroded badly or sagging or even split..

The Harman Mark series are really tough stoves.. even when abused, they are very strong stoves and survive...

Best of luck.. read on the site there are several threads about rebuilding and resurecting stoves.

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Heish1 On: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:28 pm

Greg, thanks a ton for the info. Today I unloaded the stove and started to hit it with an air hose. The bricks are cracked, but if you say that's not a problem, then I'm not going to worry about replacing them. Every thing else looks good. The color was almost a gold, but after 3 cans of stove paint, it's a nice black color. The shaker grates are all even and everything works fine. The gasket around the glass needs replace, and the feet will need put back on. I have to figure out what size nut it takes for the feet because the person I bought it off of forgot to include those. Is black the only color stove pain comes in? Also, do you know if there is any sort of color that can be painted on with a brush? I wouldn't mind highlighting some the small parts of the stove with another color.

Now here is a question. I went to home depot and they sell and kit for the chimney. Problem is, I only need about 8 or 9 feet from the stove, through the cieling and out the roof. The kit looked like it was way more than I needed, plus there wan't one person there who could answer any of my questions. I still don't know if I need a damper on this stove or not? Should I put a damper on this stove?

BTW, I paid 750 for this stove, and am starting to wonder if I paid too much?

Semper Fi.
Randy
Heish1
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harmon Mark II

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:01 pm

Hi Heisch and welcome to the forum.

I don't feel that you paid too much for the Mark III. If the grates are straight and the baffle is OK it's a good price. You could probably paint it and sell it for a profit. The Mark series stoves are built to last.

I recommend installing the stove with a barometric damper to control the draft to the stove. I also recommend installing a tee instead of an elbow on the outlet of the stove. Put a cap on the unused end of the tee. This makes it easy to get to the area behind the baffle to vacuum out the fly ash every so often. On my Mark One I had an elbow, I had to move the stove to take off the pipe for cleaning. Now I have a tee, much easier! The area behind the baffle is a great spot for fly ash to accumulate.

Photo of my stove with the tee here:
Baro Damper Recommendations

Poke around on the forum, lots of great stuff here.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:07 pm

Hello Randy,, you want a fairly tall chimney.. the draft [vacuum] from the chimney is what draws air through the stove and the coal fire.. too short a chimney will result in poor draft and difficulty keeping a fire burning..

I'd say at least 15' of chimney above the stove is a minimum.. Go to http://www.hearth.com and read their info about chimneys it is a good read.

Like Wood'nCoal wrote, put in a Barometric Damper. Harman wants one installed with their stoves.. and this will make a steady fire in your stove easy.

It sounds like a good buy. And yess you can buy StoveBrite paint in several colors.. If you can't find anything but spray paint, you can still use it for a paint brush application by spraying it on the inside of a can and collecting the paint in the bottom of the can with a brush and painting your details.

The cracks in the bricks are not a problem if all of the brick is still there. if not, any masonry supplier will have firebrick.

Greg L.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: greg white On: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:03 am

Try goggleing "Harts Hearth" they have every thing you mite need for stove pipe and chinmey pipe which are 2 different beasts.I have been VERY satisfied with their Products,they have VERY high quiality stuff and the prices are bearable.
I have installed 3 or 4 stoves with their pipe and chimney items.
stuff is here in 2 days,they do not work week ends.
best of luck sir.
GW
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Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Heish1 On: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:21 am

Thanks Gent's for all the good info. I have scheduled our local Harman Shop to come out and give me an estimate on installing the class A pipe. Was going to do it myself, but then decided not to try it because of making sure of the draft. quick question, I put a new rope around the glass, but when I fired it up outside, there was a leak around the top of the glass? Anyone have instructions on home to install this? It appears as though I did it right, but I guess not with the leak. Also, has anyone every tried any of the gloss paints on one of these stoves and it still looks good after a season? My wife is not to thrilled with the "flat black", so I may try another color.

Thanks,
Randy
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harmon Mark II

Re: Local stove shop sold out

PostBy: Dallas On: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:39 am

The flat black has a purpose ... has for years.
The flat black dissipates the heat better than colors or shiny surfaces. The stoves which are porcelainized, usually have a bare cast iron inner chamber.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Modified Russo C-35
Other Heating: Oil Hot Air
Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
Stove/Furnace Model: Modified C-35

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