Veep Debate

Did I miss the thread on this or did everyone turn off their TVs last night? What a great debate! Biden did well, and the Gov was brilliant. Even Gwen did well. I thought it was better than the Presidential debate.

Technically, responding to a thread by showing you aren't responding to a thread IS responding to a thread! Unless you're willing to circumvent the principle of taking a little rest and ignoring it's true spirit. What a great opportunity, then, for me to say that the "Cicero" of the Senate got his keester kicked without concern of devilish debate on the point. (This is fun!) You know, a few years ago, Sarah Palin and her family were probably sitting around in the evening, eating dinner, watching Jeopardy, whatever, and last night, she debated as the GOP candidate for VP. This is truly an amazing country!

charlie wrote:What a great opportunity, then, for me to say that the "Cicero" of the Senate got his keester kicked without concern of devilish debate on the point. (This is fun!)

You are a cruel man Charlie!

(I never said I wouldn't occasionally monitor these political threads......Just that I wouldn't "participate" in them for a while~!

(Now that the cooler weather is finally arriving, & people will actually be using their stoves, I'm going to be sticking pretty much to the title subject of this forum)

I did respond to the debate on another forum I belong to here: http://www.ballot.com/hotwire/27576-the ... there.html

(I don't think providing a link to this public, free political forum would be violating any copyright laws for Richard, but if it does I apologize & either you or I can remove the link)

I too thought it was better than the Pesidential debate, they both did a good job. I do wish that both would have answered the questions directly. Most of thier answers seemed canned, pretty typical.

At this point I dislike Biden the most. Especially his lie about coal, I have heard his rants before. I would not show my face in Scranton if I were him.

How do most people up there feel about him, especially with his record with the coal industry?

BK

Sure looks to me like he flip flops just like Obama


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXyTRT-NZg

Technically, responding to a thread by showing you aren't responding to a thread IS responding to a thread!

Exactly.

I thought Sarah was very good in what I saw of the debate. Problem is I was in the recliner. Recliner+Yuengling=Sleep.

Wood'nCoal wrote:
I thought Sarah was very good in what I saw of the debate. Problem is I was in the recliner. Recliner+Yuengling=Sleep.

I caught a nap before the debate so I saw it all. From all I have read and seen on the tube I think Palin is a breath of fresh air. I feel she just might be the President some day. At my age I just hope I'm around to see it. So I guess I better vote for McCain. I figure she stands a better shot at President in four years. If the socialist gets in then she will have to wait eight.

I think she did very well especially with all the media hype on her. She had a lot to prove and I think she shut a lot of people up last night. She did mess up a few things like the Generals name in Iraq, but besides that she proved she's a strong contender and an average person not yet corupted by Washington.

Biden on the other hand, having 36 years experience should really have known what the VP's job is seeing as he's running for it. Also, his blatent lies about his coal views, watch the video in my above post.

One main concern is Osama wanting to nationalize health care. We've all seen what happens when the gov't tries to run something, just look at Social Security...'Nuff Said !

Dave

I was flipping back and forth from the Baseball game and the refrigerator. I love that beer from China " Ying Ling "
Did I hear Gov Palin call him Senator O'Biden ? What a sense of humor. ( I tried another word, but it was censored )
TSB

I thought she said sh*t head Biden

but I was in the crapper at the time

I liked the presidential debate better than this one in terms of rules and the "back and forth" that was encouraged. This seemed to fall back into the modern timed response format of the past few election cycles. The first debate was more old school and open in format. I think Jim Lehrer (sp?) was a better moderator too. Gwen may have had to overly restrict her willingness to push for more pointed answers or focus the response and counter-response a bit (as Lehrer did a number of times) because of her conflict of interest/book issue.

That said, Palin did very well. More than exceeded expectations. I only detected two or three times where I felt like she resorted rote speech delivery. A large majority of the time she was responsive to the question and Biden's points, was conversational in style, and was clearly keeping track of the debate and the points she wanted to go back to as time permitted. She held her own against the seasoned Biden and won on style and presentation in much the same way Obama did in the first debate.

On substance Biden came off as superior on details, knowledge recall, and breadth of knowledge. But he also was flat out wrong on a surprisingly large number of his "facts" (between 8 and 14 times depending on where you draw your line on fact vs opinions/characterization). I don't know if he was lying, I tend to attribute to Biden more of a pomposity and overreach for the sake of appearing more intelligent than he is, rather than overt maliciousness. Unfortunately a vast majority of viewers will never know about these incorrect "facts" and will simply have in their head he is superior on experience and knowledge, when it isn't as deserved as the impression indicates. Particularly unfair to Palin considering he was wrong in this way on a couple of his more assertive points in the debate, trying to make Palin/McCain look wrong or not up to the task.

But substance isn't only about detail and knowledge, Palin was better on exposition of principles, core values, and motivations. Also, given her being able to hold the stage against Biden and overcome all the negative expectation and pressure surrounding her leading into this debate, she proved she brings to bear a strong mind and spirit that will allow her to meet the challenges of the office she seeks and, if necessary, rise to the calls of being President should that unlikely and unfortunate event occur.

Biden didn't have to prove much in this debate, it was a referendum on Palin so much of the analysis and commentary on it has been focused on her. I have no doubt that Biden will be considered the winner of this debate on points, but I think Palin and the McCain ticket gained much more from it than Biden/Obama did. And Biden's performance may serve as yet another launching pad for new McCain ads, given the many factual inaccuracies and inconsistencies Biden left on the table.

I am voting for McSame the last 8 years have been so good