I e-mailed the guy who has it for sale and he didn't seem to be able to give me any information. That alone makes me question should I be looking at this stove. So I agree with you as to my moving on and continue my search for a good stove. I see it was posted that Vermont Castings has gone under. Is this true? If it is Wow. I hear of a lot of people in my area having those stoves. Anyway, I will keep posting my progress or lack of it as my search continues. Thanks. wayne.