Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: spc On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:33 pm

Who's the judge? :lol:
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:34 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:Betcha a dollar that this motion to dismiss is granted.



Count me in on that bet too! :lol: :up:
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:35 pm

spc wrote:Who's the judge? :lol:


You & me Stephen....You & me.......The American voter! ;)

(gee I love that kinda talk!!.....Comes from watching too much "Dragnet" when I was a kid I guess)
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: spc On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:47 pm

Devil505 wrote:You & me Stephen....You & me.......The American voter! ;)


OK Dick, step away from the computer. Very slowly.

Time for your warm glass of milk. :lol:
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:54 pm

spc wrote:Who's the judge? :lol:


It hardly matters, this one is as loony as the "john McCain is the Manchurian candidate" people and the world trade towers were taken down by demolition explosives whack jobs. D'ya'all think Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster?
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: kootch88 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:56 pm

Hillary would have been all over this issue if there was any validity to it, trust me. She is a pit bull WITH lipstick!
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:01 pm

kootch88 wrote:Hillary would have been all over this issue if there was any validity to it, trust me. She is a pit bull WITH lipstick!



Great Point!!....I forgot that!!
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: kootch88 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:05 pm

The allegations have been around for quite a while now. I heard this guy back in the Summer on Coast to Coast radio show. I am sure you have heard of that show. I listen to it whenever I want to escape reality. It is pretty funny listening to what folks actually think reality is on that show. Anyway, the filing was made after the primary was finished, but she could have pressed the issue earlier if she wanted.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: pvolcko On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:17 pm

traderfjp wrote:Paul: Are u sure you weren't a journalist in another life? Your essay on the this topic is well written. I agree that the debates are plastic in nature with each candidate giving their pat speeches. The one line that I did like was when Obama said that Bush had a tremendous opportunity to rally this country after 911 and could only ask the country to go out and shop. I'd like to believe that Obama will rally this country and inspire our youth to do great feats but talk is so very cheap. I know this is a radical idea but I would LOVE if we could strap a lie detector on each candidate and ask them a series of questions. It'll be interesting to see if McCain uses the phrase, "my friends" in the last debate.


Given the reception a journalist got around here recently I'm not sure how to take this. :)

Thanks for the kind words. I'd argue that at the moment after 9/11 the "go out and shop" advice was quite correct. It would have been a horrible thing if people avoided the malls and markets for fear of further attacks. The airline industry was decimated in this period. The only places were attendance was up was at places of worship. And we were still in the .com bubble recession when it happened. There was strong need to keep the economy chugging. It would have behooved him to say "go out and shop, within your means", but frankly it is incumbent on us as adult individuals to take care of that "within your means" bit ourselves. Somewhere along the way far too many American people have lost sight of what it means to live responsibly. Too many politicians too have lost sight of that in their work in government. The two are probably related, I just don't know which begat the other. Probably occurred simultaneously, a ying and yang thing, each private irresponsibility must be matched by a public one. :)
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:39 pm

pvolcko wrote:There was strong need to keep the economy chugging. It would have behooved him to say "go out and shop, within your means", but frankly it is incumbent on us as adult individuals to take care of that "within your means" bit ourselves. Somewhere along the way far too many American people have lost sight of what it means to live responsibly.



There is a certain amount of truth in what you say Paul...about people spending irresponsibly......... But...I would argue that it is like blaming a heroin addict for not being able to kick his habit, while business is advertising & selling him heroin at lower prices & even willing to extend him credit to support his "Habit". We have all been turned into "Credit Addicts" by big business because they made tons of money doing it & the politicians made out like bandits with the bribes.....err........"Campaign Contributions" they have been getting.
Sure we should all kick the "Credit Habit".... but that's tough to do when your friendly, neighborhood "Credit Dealer" is standing on the street corner handing out free credit cards every day.....even to your kids now!

It really is very similar to the drug trade if you break it down:

Typically, a drug dealer will save his "Best Stuff" for new customers to get them hooked & buying from him. (Low initial credit card interest rates)
Then, once he's a regular....the drug dealer will start to"Cut" the potency of the drugs he gets to make more money. (credit card rates increase after a short "Teaser" period)


Because the potency has been cut, an addict will need more drugs to get the same "High"
(Credit Card companies will regularly increase your credit limit to keep you "hooked" buying things using their plastic.

Drug dealers will often "Punish" their customers for failing to buy enough drugs from them with threats to cut them off completely.
(credit card companies regularly threaten their customers with lower credit limits or actual loss of unused/rarely used credit cards)
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: spc On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:38 pm

Devil505 wrote:(credit card companies regularly threaten their customers with lower credit limits or actual loss of unused/rarely used credit cards)
And that's a bad thing? :?
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: bksaun On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:49 pm

This credit thing has goten out of hand for some time, credit cards have probably increased the divorce rate quite a bit in this country. Heck they give them to kids with no job, guess they hope the parents will pay up!

If you look back, regulations were passed requiring banks to offer loans to people with no job or poor credit history and I believe this spilled over into other area's.

Now we have to pay for it! CRAP!

My wife was bad enough, but now half the country! SHEESH!

BK

P.S. Don't think Barack is a terrorist, but he does scare me!
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:58 pm

It does sound like McCain is toning down his "Obama is a terrorist" lunacy...... because it's costing him votes among independents, not because it is morally wrong. Personally, I think McCain has been ill served by his campaign advisers & should have fired them all months ago & just been himself. The fact that he didn't discloses a major weakness & flaw in his personality & for that reason alone, I could not vote for the "Phony" that McCain has allowed himself to be turned into. Sorry John McCain........I could have voted for you back in 2000. (he wanted Joe Lieberman to be his running mate........Why wasn't he strong enough to laugh at Sarah Palin's backers & say...."Are you crazy????....You're fired!!" like he should have.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:38 am

Devil505 wrote:I would argue that it is like blaming a heroin addict for not being able to kick his habit, while business is advertising & selling him heroin at lower prices & even willing to extend him credit to support his "Habit". We have all been turned into "Credit Addicts" by big business because they made tons of money doing it & the politicians made out like bandits with the bribes.....err........"Campaign Contributions" they have been getting.
Sure we should all kick the "Credit Habit".... but that's tough to do when your friendly, neighborhood "Credit Dealer" is standing on the street corner handing out free credit cards every day.....even to your kids now!


I can't believe you are saying this seriously. Signing up for a credit card and irresponsibly buying things on that credit is akin to addiction? Credit card companies who provide a vital service in our economy, are heavily regulated, provide full disclosure of their credit terms and rates and penalties, provide updates on those terms as they change, and compete on the open market with other reputable companies... these are drug dealers?

I suppose car dealerships hold similar high esteem in your reckoning? And Best Buy, the high cost gadget dealer... don't even get me going there. I'm sure Pablo Escobar is heading that joint up. :)

No one makes a person sign up for the credit card. No one makes them buy the flat screen, the xbox, the $100 sneakers, designer jeans, and all the rest that get them to their limit. No one makes the person buy the $27K car when a $18K one will do. No one makes a person sign on the dotted line for a $300K house when they could have gotten the slightly smaller, slightly less beautiful $150K one 10 miles away.

There isn't a general "credit addiction". It is called "being a dumb ass".

Note, I do not include in that "dumb ass" category those who end up in a place where they have no choice but to start dipping into credit heavily. Most of them would never have done it if not for an unexpected lost job or some other "emergency". These people aren't dumb asses, they just got dealt a bad hand and need to work through it, and the vast majority do. These cases aren't the problem. Most problem cases get into the hole through their own greed, vanity, ignorance, or pride.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:50 am

I don't careif Obama was from Mars - I would still vote for him. This is another MacCain tactic.
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