Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:51 am

Barack Obama is an untested, wild card. He has zero leadership experience with any real accountability. His real experience is as a community organizer which is code for coercing the law-abiding to the will of a mob.

His associations with Bill Ayers is certainly disturbing as is his association with other shady Chicago and Washington insiders. Ayers was instrumental in the terrorist bombing of the Pentagon and the Capitol in the 1970's and his wife went to prison for it. People died as a result of them. He got off on a technicality and bragged that he was "...guilty as hell and free as a bird. Isn't America wonderful?"

Ayers is an affirmed socialist who plans to infiltrate the culture though the education system. He wants to re-educate children to socialism. Obama is a socialist too.

If you love this country as a nation that supports real freedom and equal opportunity, don't vote for Obama.

If you want this nation to become a socialist state, vote for Barack.

Socialism is terrorism.

You do the logic.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:24 am

pvolcko wrote:I can't believe you are saying this seriously. Signing up for a credit card and irresponsibly buying things on that credit is akin to addiction? Credit card companies who provide a vital service in our economy, are heavily regulated, provide full disclosure of their credit terms and rates and penalties, provide updates on those terms as they change, and compete on the open market with other reputable companies... these are drug dealers?



Worse than drug dealers Paul, considering he number of people they have hooked & the
company abuse & "Scams" they regularly run. Don't take my word for it.....Watch some of the Senate hearings on credit card company abuses here.. http://www.c-span.org/search.aspx?For=credit%20card ...It's very "Eye Opening"
While it sounds very mature & responsible to blame credit problems on the card holder, there are many underhanded scams that need to be changed from the credit card companies. (Are the cigarette companys blameless in getting smokers hooked on smoking by deliberately adding more nicotine to their products?)

Example of heaings:

Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit
Hearing


The Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights: Providing New Protections for Consumers





Thursday, April 17, 2008, 10:00 a.m., Room 2128 Rayburn House Office Building
FI and Consumer Credit




Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit to Hold Hearing on the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights

Washington, D.C. – Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (NY-14), Chair of the Financial Services Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit, announced today that the Subcommittee will hold a legislative hearing on H.R. 5244, “The Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights: Providing New Protections for Consumers,” Maloney’s legislation to reform major credit card industry abuses and improve consumer protections
.




Richard is always complaining that I don't provide proof to back up my opinions/statements so here you go!
(I usually don't link web sites & long videos as I feel it's an imposition to expect people to take the time to watch them, but these (series of hearings) are interesting & shocking in how oversight has failed & so many abuses are occurring on a daily basis.
Did you ever try to read the fine print on your credit card contract Paul? ...Unless you are a team of lawyers, you wont understand it at all....& that's the exact intent......To fool people!. Much more oversight is required & being proposed. Watch some of these!



We are getting pretty far off topic here & I have said what I wanted. If you want to continue this we should make a separate thread. It's a pretty big topic by itself!
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:37 am

mikeandgerry wrote:Barack Obama is an untested, wild card. He has zero leadership experience with any real accountability.



& Sarah Palin is qualified to have her finger on the button of our entire nuclear arsenal? That doesn't scare you?


mikeandgerry wrote:His associations with Bill Ayers is certainly disturbing as is his association with other shady Chicago and Washington insiders


Sarah Palin being judged to have "abused her power" as Alaska governor, by a bi-partisan group ....is ok?
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: ken On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:05 am

probaly shouldn't post this , i'll have the feds beating down my door. lol :shock: personally i think some wacko will wack him if he gets elected.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:48 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Sarah Palin is qualified to have her finger on the button of our entire nuclear arsenal? That doesn't scare you?




Why don't you ask the same question of Barack Obama? Doesn't it scare you that a man who willfully associates with terrorists and coercive manipulators (community organizers and ACORN) will have a finger on the button? WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING THAT QUESTION, DEVIL?

Doesn't it scare you that Barack Obama has ZERO executive experience with any accountability? Sarah Palin's feet are being held to the fire and she will be victorious in her effort to rid the people of Alaska of a power-abusing state trooper. When did Obama EVER have his feet held to the fire for any of his actions? The press has done nothing to vet this man. They haven't asked him ANY difficult questions. He has NEVER been in any difficult situations. They have licked his unworthy feet because he is a minority and accuse those who criticize him of being racist. WHY DOESN'T THAT SCARE YOU, DEVIL?

A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for socialism and communism. Obama cares NOT about the freedom of the people and ONLY about indoctrinating the youth of America to a single ideology which will be enforced with an iron hand. WHY DOESN'T THAT SCARE YOU, DEVIL? Democrats will show their true allegiance, or their complete ignorance of their nation's origin, with a vote for Obama.

Obama will likely have a filibuster proof congress to boot. The last two times we had a filibuster proof congress was under FDR and LBJ. Both times those governments passed socialistic legislation (Social security and Welfare) that led to the current debt that hangs over the head of the people threatening their existence and robbing them of real and fair opportunity. Debt is slavery.

Welcome the new slave master, Barack Obama.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:10 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:Why don't you ask the same question of Barack Obama? Doesn't it scare you that a man who willfully associates with terrorists and coercive manipulators (community organizers and ACORN) will have a finger on the button? WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING THAT QUESTION, DEVIL?


1. I'm voting for Ron Paul.
2. Only Fox News & John McCain are claiming that B. Obama is practically a suicide bomber.
3. No, if B. Obama was to be elected he wouldn't scare me anywhere near as much as the 2008 version of John McCain does.


mikeandgerry wrote:Sarah Palin'seet are being held to the fire and she will be victorious in her effort to rid the people of Alaska of a power-abusing state trooper.

S. Palin has been found to have abused her powers as governor by an Alaska board consisting of 10 Republicans & 4 Democrats.

mikeandgerry wrote:When did Obama EVER have his feet held to the fire for any of his actions? The press has done nothing to vet this man. They haven't asked him ANY difficult questions. He has NEVER been in any difficult situations. They have licked his unworthy feet because he is a minority and accuse those who criticize him of being racist. WHY DOESN'T THAT SCARE YOU, DEVIL?



Obama was elected Senator in Illinois & has been running for President for about 2 years now, so no...he doesn't scare me. (S. Palin has been on the national scene for what...6 weeks....& she has pretty well proven how bright she is. ;) )

mikeandgerry wrote:A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for socialism and communism.


Didn't McCain vote in favor of the Corporate Bailout Bill too? No, It doesn't scare me, but both McCain & Obama voted in favor of socialism.......Ron Paul was against it.

mikeandgerry wrote:Welcome the new slave master, Barack Obama.


Interesting choice of imagery there......"slave master".........I wonder what was running through your mind??? :nono: :box:
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:43 pm

The fact that Sarah Palin was found to have abused her power by 10 Republicans and 4 democrats in an inquiry group only proves that she upset the political apple cart in Alaska. All of her serious accusers are Republicans that she defeated fairly on merit. If she is truly guilty of any infraction she must have her day in court. That is the only thing that matters. Recall that a camel is a horse built by a committee.

I would vote for Ron Paul too, if he were a viable candidate. But he is not. The press never focuses on the issues that matter just the issues that sell.

Barack Obama has not been said to be a terrorist. He has been said to have chosen poor alliances with people of dubious character. That is called the appearance of impropriety by the democrats and has been your basis for dismissing Sarah Palin therefor it is sufficient, in fact compelling, in the dismissal of Obama as a credible candidate.

Barack's biggest scare is his ideology. He believes that might is right and proved that with his "community organizing days" and his association with charletans. It is that ideology that makes him a terrorist.

Obama will terrorize those who don't drink the ideological kool aid. Socialism is terrorism. Socialists (the precursor to communists) believe that force is an acceptable ideological enforcement mechanism. Obama is a socialist, therefore Obama is a terrorist. And no, not because he has brushed shoulders with Ayers but because he thinks like Ayers. The quote: "clinging to their guns and religion" comes to mind as does his wife's revealing quote about "being proud of her country for the first time". These people are socialists. They don't believe in the framework of the founders. They only use that framework as a tool to seize power.

Sorry, devil, it's just the way it is, and it's scary. Too bad you and the rest of the real democrats can't see it. Soon the socialist/communist democrats will control everything and the real democrats (at the local level) will be out. It's what the neocons did to the republicans but on a much bigger scale because they have the control of the press by ideology.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:51 pm

Devil505 wrote:Interesting choice of imagery there......"slave master".........I wonder what was running through your mind??? :nono: :box:


Because I dared to mention race, I knew you would sieze upon the opportunity to imply that I am racist. Innuendo is the weapon of cowards.

The only true racists are democrats and history has proven this. Before you make a fool of yourself you should read this:

http://www.humanevents.com/2006/08/16/w ... epublican/

and understand that my life has been dedicated to integrity and fairness and the raising of two adopted children.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:54 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:The fact that Sarah Palin was found to have abused her power by 10 Republicans and 4 democrats in an inquiry group only proves that she upset the political apple cart in Alaska. All of her serious accusers are Republicans that she defeated fairly on merit.


I have no magic words to change your mind to understand that when an elected leader abuses his/her power that it is never OK. If you feel that it is, you're entitled to your own opinion,.... but I would argue that you can't believe in a lawful society, but then exempt certain people from those laws & have it remain a lawful society. Who decides who is above the law?

mikeandgerry wrote:Socialism is terrorism. Socialists (the precursor to communists) believe that force is an acceptable ideological enforcement mechanism.


Then John McCain is a terrorist too, right? Didn't he "Suspend His Campaign" to come rushing back to Washington to ensure that Socialism would succeed in Congress? (Ron Paul stood by his principles)
How can you vote for a Terrorist? (because the non-terrorist won't win???)
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:59 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:Because I dared to mention race, I knew you would sieze upon the opportunity to imply that I am racist. Innuendo is the weapon of cowards.


mikeandgerry wrote:understand that my life has been dedicated to integrity and fairness and the raising of two adopted children.


I have absolutely no way of knowing what is in your mind other than by going by what you write here, so that is what I use to form my opinions.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:20 pm

Devil505 wrote: Who decides who is above the law?

I didn't say she did or didn't abuse her power, I said she deserves her day in court. That "group" is not court.

What I know of her actions is this:

A state trooper tazered a child and threatened individuals. That is an abuse of power. She instructed his boss to fire him which was the proper action. The boss didn't do it because the police have a fraternal bond. That was an abuse of power. She used "budgetary cuts" to force the issue in which she was correct but her actions were not correct. Palin had an altered state-of-mind owing to her personal involvement in the issue through her sister. That clouded her judgement about the boss's refusal to fire the trooper. The group judging her has decided that the technical issue of a false budgetary cut to rid the Alaskan people of a corrupt trooper was an abuse of power. The group judging her is composed of 10 republicans and 4 democrats per your description. The group hasn't weighed in on the abuse by the trooper. The lead republican in the group complaining about her was defeated by Palin in the Alaskan Republican gubernatiorial primary. She took out a well heeled political incumbent and upset the balance of power in Alaskan politics. That means that politics is skewing the judgement groups decision and any determination of her guilt or innocence must be made in court. We call that the "rule of law" in America.


mikeandgerry wrote:Socialism is terrorism. Socialists (the precursor to communists) believe that force is an acceptable ideological enforcement mechanism.


Then John McCain is a terrorist too, right? Didn't he "Suspend His Campaign" to come rushing back to Washington to ensure that Socialism would succeed in Congress? (Ron Paul stood by his principles)


The bailout is the rescue effect, not the cause, of the financial crisis. The cause of the financial crisis is socialist programs.

I wrote John McCain a letter indicating my displeasure with bailing out Wall St. I also wrote my Senators and Congressman. I know that the public was 90% against the bailout. Since we have a republic, we can't do anything about their current vote, just oust them in the next election. Not enough people will vote for Ron Paul since he's not on all the state ballots and he absolutely cannot win. Obama is a true socialist. He will exacerbate the problem beyond belief if elected. McCain is my only choice despite his dissapointing vote on the bailout.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:34 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:I wrote John McCain a letter indicating my displeasure with bailing out Wall St.


mikeandgerry wrote:Since we have a republic, we can't do anything about their current vote, just oust them in the next election.


mikeandgerry wrote:McCain is my only choice despite his dissapointing vote on the bailout.



It would appear that you have defeated your own argument for voting for McCain:

Let's do a little logic here:

A person who favors Socialism is a terrorist
You admit being displeased that John McCain voted for Socialism

Therefore: John McCain is a terrorist....but you will still vote for him. :lol:

(Let's try to keep this a friendly debate amongst us coal brothers & agree to simply disagree....OK?
I'll stipulate that I have no real evidence to brand you a racist & you have no real evidence to brand me a coward....Fair enough?
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:46 pm

Devil505 wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:Because I dared to mention race, I knew you would sieze upon the opportunity to imply that I am racist. Innuendo is the weapon of cowards.


I have absolutely no way of knowing what is in your mind other than by going by what you write here, so that is what I use to form my opinions.


Your innuendo implied that I was a racist. I gave no indication of racism. I set you up with the terms "debt slavery" and "slave master". You took the bait and implied that I was a racist. I find it despicable.

In the olden days of civil rights strife we called that action "prejudice".

And when Barack Obama is intolerant of certain civil rights like "clinging" to owning firearms and having faith, we should call him a "bigot", to use another old-fashioned term from the days before he was an adult.

MLK once said:

" I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. "


I want that too. Let all the candidates stand on their character.

The press needs to start throwing Barack some hardballs, too.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:56 pm

Devil505 wrote:It would appear that you have defeated your own argument for voting for McCain:

Let's do a little logic here:

A person who favors Socialism is a terrorist
You admit being displeased that John McCain voted for Socialism

Therefore: John McCain is a terrorist....but you will still vote for him. :lol:

(Let's try to keep this a friendly debate amongst us coal brothers & agree to simply disagree....OK?
I'll stipulate that I have no real evidence to brand you a racist & you have no real evidence to brand me a coward....Fair enough?



Sorry, but the error is all yours. You made an illogical leap when you said McCain voted for socialism. He never has. He voted for a remedy that is somewhat socialistic. He did not vote for the causes of socialism nor shares socialistic ideologies which are the cause of the financial crisis.

The correct logic is: Obama is a socialist because he favors government control over resources and production and associates with socialists and supports their plans. McCain is not a socialist. There are only two viable candidates. If a voter is against socialism, one must vote against Obama and for McCain.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:01 pm

And yes, Devil, I agree to disagree amicably.

Brothers in coal.

And, BTW read the link I posted. It's a good read.
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