Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:07 pm

300 years ago we had indentured servants. Now our society is indentured to the banks and credit card companies. Our way of life is built on credit. Unfortunately, Americans don't want to save and make do but many of us over extend ourselves financially and this behavior can only go on so long. Government bailouts may actually prolong our suffering, create incredible inflation and bring us into a long recession. Hopefully not. We need to fix many of our institutions and start spending wisely. Our Government is way out of control. However, you can't blame the Gov for the 3 automakers and the inferior products they have been producing or some of the other inefficiencies in our economy. What China has in cheap labor we should be able to counter with our technology and robotics. I believe that our Government should steer the ship and spend money to invest in our country but in a wise and prudent way. The one thing that Obama is for that I support is a redistribution of wealth in this country. 90% of the wealth in this country is held by the 10% of the wealthiest. I believe that if you make over 250,000 a year then you should pay extra taxes because you can afford it and the family struggling to survive can't. Microsoft, Exxon and some of the biggest corporations in the world are sitting on billions of dollars of cash. We need to get them to invest that money in our country to create new jobs. We need to market Made in America products and even give free sales tax or some incentive so Americans by American. We need to cut our defense spending and put some of the Billions of dollars to work on solving our energy needs and making us more competitive in the World. We need to take care of the less fortunate, the old, we need to fix our roads and bridges and teach our children respect. Our country and the world are in transition and if we take the right steps we can all lead productive, peaceful existences. If not we will snuff out our civilization and once the dust, dirt and flowers covers us all a new civilization will sprout up from the dust. I sometimes wonder what our lives would be like if we embraced many of the values of the Native Americans instead of buchering them into a mere resembelance of once great societies.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: vtec350 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:50 pm

Trader I agree with everything you said up to the point of "redistibuting " the wealth for those who have it. I'm not going to argue that it is greed to a point and no one could actually spend that much money in a lifetime. But, why should someone start a company, go through all the risks, put everything they own one the line and do the rite thing as far as saving and being responsible. When others can just sit back and reap the benafits from someone else sweat and hard work? Everyone has the same opportunitys in life, yes some have more than others, but they're still free to go out and take those risks but most chose not to.It's scary, there's finacial risks, personal risk, family risk and most don't want that stress. But why should we punish those who decided to do this and "redistribute" their hard earned money? Doesn't that just give those who are striving for that LESS incentive to get there if they're going to have to give more away?

People need to start taking responsability for their own actions and overspending. You're rite we can't blame Gov't for the 3 auto makers and their inferior product, we can blame ourself for buying them. If we didn't buy them they wouldn't produce them and if gas didn't rise as it did, they would still be buying them today. I think we here on this board know this because we're all looking for more efficient ways to heat our home and care about saving money and know what it's like to live within our means. To many people out there are looking for a hand out and think that those who are wealthy owe them something, they owe them nothing. Unless you are physically disabled and cannot provide for yourself you need to look no farther than the end of your own arm for a hand out.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:04 pm

Vtec: I agree that able bodied citizens shouldn't get a handout. I know countless civil servants who retire with huge pensions because they are given extra hours the last 3 years they retire or they go out on disability and reap a tax free payment each month which was more then what they were earning before they got "hurt." These same people bowl, dig koi ponds and play other sports. I have to get up and go to work each day and pay my taxes. I do believe that the fortunate shoudl help the unfortunate who are working hard to pay their bills and doing the right thing. It doesn't hurt the wealthy if we have 4.00 gas or electricity goes up. They can afford it. Maybe if we looked at taking risk and making it in America as a privilidge people would want to give back to the system that made them who they are. I would prefer that government keeps spending in check and we all pay our fair share with no tax raises but our greed has put us in a bad situation. We could all chip in and fix the problems or blame the other guy and spend our money on things we don't really need. I would rather invest in our future and but greed aside.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: vtec350 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:16 pm

The problem is that to many abled body citizens do get that hand out and they need a way to fix this. Like I said in my post on the previous page, politicians are what caused this and now they keep telling us we need "change". How about they run on a promise of " restoration" we've already seen their change. :D

Dave
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:25 pm

vtec350 wrote:The problem is that to many abled body citizens do get that hand out and they need a way to fix this.


I'm sorry but the "Handout" that pisses me off is the "Corporate Welfare Handouts" that we are still giving the oil companies who are "swimming" in profit while the rest of our economy is practically in a Depression! :mad: :devil:
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:33 pm

I'll believe McCain about keeping government from interfering with free enterprise when he speaks out against the monopolistic laws that made his wife very rich.

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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: coalmeister On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:49 pm

Devil505 wrote:
coalmeister wrote:True, but they don't make "laws" or real policy , Congress does


Who is "They"?.
Obama & McCain....they are members of Congress
The political parties?
The President?


The Prez
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: coalmeister On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:53 pm

Devil505 wrote:
vtec350 wrote:The problem is that to many abled body citizens do get that hand out and they need a way to fix this.


I'm sorry but the "Handout" that *censored* me off is the "Corporate Welfare Handouts" that we are still giving the oil companies who are "swimming" in profit while the rest of our economy is practically in a Depression! :mad: :devil:


How does the oil companies get this money, is it a deduction for dry holes, a tax credit, a refund in April or what, I have never heard what it actually is or is for...
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:24 pm

Check this out: Over the last three years, Exxon Mobil has paid an average of $27 billion annually in taxes. That's $27,000,000,000 per year, a number so large it's hard to comprehend. Here's one way to put Exxon's taxes into perspective.

According to IRS data for 2004, the most recent year available:

Total number of tax returns: 130 million

Number of Tax Returns for the Bottom 50%: 65 million

Adjusted Gross Income for the Bottom 50%: $922 billion

Total Income Tax Paid by the Bottom 50%: $27.4 billion


Conclusion: In other words, just one corporation (Exxon Mobil) pays as much in taxes ($27 billion) annually as the entire bottom 50% of individual taxpayers, which is 65,000,000 people! Further, the tax rate for the bottom 50% is only 3% of adjusted gross income ($27.4 billion / $922 billion), and the tax rate for Exxon was 41% in 2006 ($67.4 billion in taxable income, $27.9 billion in taxes).
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:58 pm

As much as I'd like to jump in here guys....Richard is going to lock this thread for going way off topic. To answer one post, the President most definitely steers legislation by proposing more laws & setting the tone for this country. Back to the topic
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Dan On: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:10 am

Devil505 wrote:
coaledsweat wrote:No one accused him of being a terrorist. He lives near, has worked with and is supported by a man that bombed the Pentagon, these are undeniable facts, not accusations.


So why are people yelling out...TERRORIST......KILL HIM & other things at these rallies?
What is the average citizen supposed to believe when Sarah Palin says (& I quote) Senator Obama "Pals around with terrorists?"


What you're supposed to believe is that there is substance behind the comment or she wouldn't have made it. Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist who your Marxist Obama has had long and extensive relationships with. Even beyond that....Obama is a dedicated Marxist ideologue who is going to redistribute wealth. And he's going to to come after your little bit of success. Try reading "RULES FOR RADICALS". Obama is going to redistribute wealth from YOU to those who don't pay taxes. As much as 30% of all American DON'T pay taxes. So, as you continue to support Obama be aware that you'll be supporting your own demise and this nation's.

Anyone supporting Obama is themself a fool. At best a Marxist themself.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:13 am

Dan wrote:Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist who your Marxist Obama has had long and extensive relationships with.


Can you tell me what acts of domestic terrorism Bill Ayers is accused of doing?
Specifically what acts of terrorism did Ayers & Obama plan to carry out?
If Obama is a Marxist why did McCain suspend his campaign to rush back to Washington to try to "Socialize" private industry?
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Mike Wilson On: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:09 pm

Jeremiah Wright. That says it all.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:45 am

ErikLaurence wrote:I'll believe McCain about keeping government from interfering with free enterprise when he speaks out against the monopolistic laws that made his wife very rich.

How Your Beer Bought John McCain's $500 Loafers
Uncovering the government subsidies behind Cindy McCain's family fortune

http://reason.com/archives/2008/10/15/h ... -john-mcca

Brought to you by that bastion of lefty thinking, Reason Magazine.


Mr. Balko writes: "It’s an artificial, anachronistic, government-created entity that’s anti-competitive and full of lobbyists and special interests. It raises the cost of each bottle of beer you drink, though “Joe Six Pack,” as McCain’s running mate might put it, receives no value for the added cost. "


Mr Balko is apparently out of his mind if he thinks the beer industry is anti-competitive. How does he explain the multitude of beers, domestic and imported, and rock bottom pricing. How cheap would beer have to be in order to be "competitve"?

C'mon. Get real.

Work hard, get by. Work smart, get rich. Work hard and work smart, get stinking rich.

Don't begrudge the wealthy their wealth as long as you have an equal shot at success. If you believe in equal opportunity, vote for McCain. If you believe in equal outcomes, vote for Obama.
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Re: Is Barack Obama A Terrorist?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:10 am

mikeandgerry wrote:Don't begrudge the wealthy their wealth as long as you have an equal shot at success. If you believe in equal opportunity, vote for McCain. If you believe in equal outcomes, vote for Obama.


Sorry, but the way I see it is the super rich have been running this country for at least the last 8 years & have given themselves all the"welfare" (tax breaks & unfair laws) while we in the middle class are practically destitute now. That's why this country is so pissed off & that's why we in the middle class are going to take back our country on 11/4 & throw the bums out! :mad:

(& hopefully throw more than a few of them is prison once GW Bush doesn't own the Police Dept. an more!......Bye bye Atty Gen. Mukasi)
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