What would Devil think about this?

What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:27 am

From Pennsylvania: where we cling to our guns and religion



http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/state/all-a3_soccermom.6629690oct15,0,5462657.story
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:37 am

Hmmm....Interesting dilemma!



Some instant thoughts:


1. If you have a license to carry, why not carry openly?

But.....

Since it's unusual for private citizens to carry openly in most locations, is it a way of intimidating people, and warn for that purpose?
Is a child's sporting event a good place to openly carry?
Why not conceal the weapon to be less threatening to others? (women can keep it in their handbag)



Tough issue!!

What do others think?


Edit: If forced to make an instant decision I would decide this if I was the judge:

Since it is unusual (in most localities) for a private citizen to openly wear a firearm, & with the chance that it could attract the attention of hoodlums (who may grab it & run) I would consider it a public safety threat to wear it openly & thus would rule that it must be concealed.


This must be left up to local communities to decide for themslves however.....No federal laws allowed! ;)

(a rancher wearing a gun in Wyoming is much different than wearing one in Time Square, New York...on New Years eve! :lol: )
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:48 am

Devil505 wrote:1. If you have a license to carry, why not carry openly?


Because it isn't a permit to carry, it is a permit to carry a "concealed" weapon.

Since she had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, she should have carried it as such and would not have had the problem. IMHO it was poor judgement, but not worth losing a permit to carry over.
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:51 am

coaledsweat wrote:Since she had a permit to carry a "concealed" weapon, she should have carried it as such and would not have had the problem. IMHO it was poor judgement, but not worth losing a permit to carry over.


Interesting point!...But does a license to carry "concealed".." REQUIRE" the weapon to be concealed or simply ALLOW it??
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:01 pm

You don't need permit to open carry in PA as far as I know. You only need a permit to carry if it's concealed. There was a recent incident at restaurant here where a group went in and the group was about open carry. Long story short as I understand it the one guy knew the laws very well. I believe they wanted ID which he refused to produce because he doesn't have to. They ended up arresting him and confiscating the gun, they had to release him and the gun not long afterward. Haven't seen anything on the paper about it but i have no doubt I will in the future.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: BugsyR On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:16 pm

Richard S. wrote: There was a recent incident at restaurant here where a group went in ....


O.C. Buffet in Dickson.

No charges pending or filed. No law in PA saying they couldn't do what they did.


http://paopencarry.org/info.html
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:17 pm

First it is a License to carry a firearm loaded concealed or other wise you need a license to carry any firearm in PA
however you my not have a long gun loaded in a motorized vehical in Pa with or with out a license only a handgun can
be loaded in a vehical with a license to carry here is the PA law


http://www.psp.state.pa.us/psp/cwp/browse.asp?a=15&bc=0&c=70426
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:23 pm

coal berner wrote:here is the PA law


http://www.psp.state.pa.us/psp/cwp/brow
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Did I miss it (or misread the law)?..... It appears that concealment is a REQUIREMENT in that law.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: rman On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:36 pm

You have misread it.

A LTCF is required to carry concealed only. No PA law prohibits carrying a firearm openly. However carrying a firearm in a vehicle with out a LTCF is prohibited unless the firearm is being transported to or from a legitimate site for purposes such as point of purchase, point of sale, point of repair or modification (gun smiths) or to or from target practice range.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:37 pm

A License to Carry Firearms is issued to carry a firearm concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle within this Commonwealth. Any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person except in his place of abode or fixed place of business without a valid and lawfully issued license commits a felony of the third degree.
Any person who carries a firearm Conealed On {Or About his person }
Note there are two different license to carry a firearm in PA One is a license to carry a firearm the other is a permit
to carry A Sportsman permit to hunt fish trap with a handgun revolvers only in Pa and training hunting dogs it is a permit not a license you can not have a loaded firearm in a vehicle with this permit

Who can apply for a Sportsman’s Firearm Permit?

An individual who is age 18 or older and is licensed to hunt, trap or fish, or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, may apply for a Sportsman's Firearm Permit by submitting a completed application along with the required fee to the county treasurer's office. The permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any "legal firearm", when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license, or permit relating to hunting dogs. The issuances of a Sportsman’s Firearm Permit allows the individual to carry a firearm if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers, fishing or training dogs, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers, fish, or train dogs during the regular training season, or returning from such places. A Sportsman's Firearm Permit is NOT a License to Carry a firearm concealed.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: gambler On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:39 pm

Devil, check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry


Anomalous Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is generally lawful, but the state may lack preemption or there may be other significant restrictions.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:31 pm

gambler wrote:Anomalous Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is generally lawful, but the state may lack preemption or there may be other significant restrictions.


Wow!! ....Texas is a Non-Permissive Open Carry State...You cant openly wear a gun???....IN TEXAS!!!??? :wtf:

(I've never openly warn a firearm in my life (except for raid situations) & I wouldn't want too. (I'd feel like a sitting duck!)
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:50 pm

The PA constitution states that the right to carry a weapon shall not be questioned. You can carry an open weapon anywhere and I don't know of any requirement for any kind of permit to do that. I didn't know about the long arm restriction though.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:55 pm

gambler wrote:Devil, check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry


Anomalous Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is generally lawful, but the state may lack preemption or there may be other significant restrictions.


Well I don't know if I would trust that info. In CT, if you are carrying a handgun, you damn well better have a permit and keep the knowledge of that possession to yourself (either in something or concealed on your person). I believe most of New England is similar.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulle ... p?p=403001

The link provided there goes to the CT statutes.
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Re: What would Devil think about this?

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:05 pm

Chris you can't carry any firearms in PA with out a license to carry and there are several Places even with a license you can not carry
All Pa state parks They are trying to change this right now in Harrisburg aswell as the Fed law
Fed Parks Fed law
County Court house
City Court house or State buliding
Fed Court house or Fed building fed law
Any School or with in a School zone State & fed law
Banks fed law
Airports Fed law
or any business that the owner does not allow or want you to
Your Place of employment or Property unless you have written Permission or you have completed a firearm safety &
handling course there are several more I can't think of right now I would have to get the State & Fed Rules & Regs book out
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