Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: M1KEMASS On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:41 am

I had no problems starting my efel montana stove - it was burning fine and got the room up to 75 degrees - the next morning it was not burning as warmly, only 68 in the room, but still lit - I shook it down and the coals appeard to burn brighter - after burning for 10 or 15 minutes - I added more coal - the coals were still bright red with blue flames, but the stove still did not produce much heat - got the room back up to 70 degrees. Before bed - I did the shake down, and the coals burned bright again - added coal and went to bed - I got up this morning and it was out. Any ideas what might be wrong? I purchased Reading pea coal, not sure of the quality of that brand coal. I've read that I'm supposed to do the shake down until red ambers just start falling, but how can I see that if I'm supposed to keep the ashpan door closed?

I'm really excited about burning coal, and have read as much as I've had time, and guess I might just need to experiment more.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:49 am

Mike, I'm not familiar with your stove but it sounds like you are a new coal burner. I'm guessing you are a recovering wood burner. :lol: Coal does not respond quickly to external stimulus like wood does. Adding coal, shaking it down changing air adjustments all take time to have an affect. Read some of the threads about shaking down a fire. It's got to be done carefully. Short choppy strokes and only until you are seeing live coal in the ash pan then stop. You can poke a coal fire alittle bit to help the process but that too must be done carefully. Coal fires when very low are fragile. Pea coal is not going to burn as hot as nut or stove. Less air flow.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:55 am

M1KEMASS wrote:I've read that I'm supposed to do the shake down until red ambers just start falling, but how can I see that if I'm supposed to keep the ashpan door closed?


If you keep the ash door closed during shake down...you can't. (You have to open the door to see them if still glowing)
Over the years, I have tried it both ways & now keep the ash door open while shaking down,
Important thing it to open the ash door first & leave it open until the fire is really lively! (maybe 5-10 minutes depending on draft) That way most of the ash/dust will be sucked back into the stove instead of all over your floor.

Another thing I do (which always starts a debate among experienced coal burners) is poke a mature fire (say....a fire that has been burning for at least a few days) from the top lightly with a poker..... Often "Bridging" will keep the top of the coal bed suspended above an air pocket & by poking it, it'll fall like a cake & let you get good coal into that air pocket!
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:50 am

I'd say that you didn't shake hard or thoroughly enough, and the ash built up on the grate, blocking the air to the fire..

I'd 'disect' the cold coal bed.. remove the coal/ashes layer by layer from the top, and see what is on the grate.. you may have a brand of coal that needs really aggressive shaking to break up the burnt-out 'husks' of coal pieces.. my experience with Reading coal is that it left a lot of hard chunks in the ash,, as this accumulated on my grate, the air to the fire was blocked, and I had to let it burn out and I'd clean off the grate weekly.. O the coal brands didn't do this..

So see what is on your grate,, This will help you learn what your stove and shaker system likes and needs..

Greg L

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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: captcaper On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:02 pm

Also try to make sure you have a hot red coal bed of 3in. going then load it up on top of it with coal. I mean load it up full as it will take it without getting too sloppy. Turn the manual damper 3/4 closed. Bottom draft control at it's lower adjustments.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: SemperFi On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:32 pm

Mikemass, Is your Efel a hopper fed? I was thinking the Montana was hopper fed. If it is the fire should never fail due to lack of fuel but will fail from lack of air. The grates are fine enough to burn pea in that stove which can allow them to clog easy. If burning pea you may have to skake the living daylights out of the stove to clear the ash. I think your stove is 40,000 btu, with nut I think you can squeez a little bit more out of it. I would stay away from stove coal as it would be hard to control in your stove. Good luck.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: M1KEMASS On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:40 pm

The Efel Montana is a hopper fed stove. When the stove went out it had plenty of coal in it, so I don't think that was the problem. I have been told this stove only burns pea coal, but I agree that if I burned nut coal I would get more air in the fire - do you think I should try it? I will try the shake down with the ash pan door opened and stop shaking only when I see some red ash falling. I was shaking the living daylights out of it when the fire seemed to die down, but it may have been too late at that point. Thanks for your feedback!
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: bono1979 On: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:20 pm

How long are you letting the ash pan door open after you add coal .
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: M1KEMASS On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:15 am

I was not leaving the ash pan door opened after adding coal. Also - do I add coal first (after ash pan door has been opened for 5 or 10 minutes) then shake down? Or do I shake down first, then add coal? Thanks Guys.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: coalvet On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:29 am

I always open the ash pan door to get the remaining coal to start burning hotter, this may take between 5 and 15 minutes depending on the draft. If there is enough live coal bed remaining I then shake the stove down. I then add fresh coal as needed, at this point I leave the ash pan door open to allow the fresh coal to catch and burn off any gases. Finally I close the ash door and adjust my air intake. This has done the trick for me.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:40 am

M1KEMASS wrote:I was not leaving the ash pan door opened after adding coal. Also - do I add coal first (after ash pan door has been opened for 5 or 10 minutes) then shake down? Or do I shake down first, then add coal? Thanks Guys.


You definitely want to open the ash door first...liven up the fire.....shake down.....add coal......bring it back up to the temp you want....then close the ash door. (mush faster this way...leaving ash door open)
You should also be filling your firebox completely. There should be little room to add fresh coal b4 you shake down.
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: rockwood On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:57 am

Don't forget to close the ash door.

Someone here, maybe it was Greg L?? said they set a timer so they don't forget to close it.
I had never heard of this before but it's a very good idea and I must admit I have forgotten to close mine myself. :oops:
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: M1KEMASS On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:06 am

OK - I've been shaking for 3 minutes, and no red ashes are falling - the grey ashes are falling, but I don't see any red ones - how long does it usually take to shake down?
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:15 am

M1KEMASS wrote:OK - I've been shaking for 3 minutes, and no red ashes are falling - the grey ashes are falling, but I don't see any red ones - how long does it usually take to shake down?


STOP shaking
!!...Let the temp build up or you will smother your fire!
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Re: Stove lights and stays lit for 30 hours then goes out

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:18 am

rockwood wrote:Don't forget to close the ash door.

Someone here, maybe it was Greg L?? said they set a timer so they don't forget to close it.
I had never heard of this before but it's a very good idea and I must admit I have forgotten to close mine myself. :oops:



That was me. I always set a timer whenever the ash door is open & I'm stepping away from it. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... age=search

Way to easy to get distracted!
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