trouble keeping coal stove buring

trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: wpkm On: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:18 pm

Hi All,

Just bought a Morso 1410 coal stove. About 6th time lighting it up but only burns for about 2 hours hot, then slowely dies.

1) I lay lump charcoal on bottom,
2) Add coal slowly
3) All vents open
4) See the blue flame
5) Add more coal
6) After an hour, blue flame gone and center fire red instead of hot yellow.
7) Slow death.
8) Not sure what I am doing wrong.
wpkm
New Member
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:14 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: Morso
Stove/Furnace Model: 1410 coal


Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:24 pm

Are you filling t up as much as you can once it gets going? A coal fire needs a deep bed of coal in a hand fired stove.
....I'm hitting yet another problem that's based on the hopeless state of our databases. There
is no uniform data integrity, it's just a catalogue of issues that continues to grow as they're found
.”

— Presumed Mr. Ian (Harry) Harris, Climate Research Unit (CRU) - HARRY_READ_ME.txt
User avatar
Richard S.
Mayor
 
Posts: 7698
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:35 pm
Location: NEPA
Stove/Furnace Make: Van Wert
Stove/Furnace Model: VA-1200

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: bksaun On: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:45 pm

Do not open the top vent, all the air has to come from underneath the coal bed.

Are you sure you bought the coal model 1410, they make one for wood too?

BK
"Corn Stoves", It is morally wrong to burn something you can make into Whiskey!

BK
bksaun
Member
 
Posts: 724
Joined: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:24 am
Location: Lexington,Ky
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska / Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III / MK III

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:08 am

Is this your stove? http://www.morsoe.com/us/Products/Stove ... odel_1410/

I don't see an ash pan or shaker mechanism. Maybe you can't burn anthracite in it....Just Bit?
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
Winston Churchill
Shaking & Poking The TLC2000 Video about10788.html
User avatar
Devil505
Banned
 
Posts: 7227
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:44 pm
Location: SE Massachusetts
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: wpkm On: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:55 pm

Thanks for everyone's reply

1) Yes, I filled the stove to the top of the heat sheilds, approx 6 inches from grate to top of heat shield. I even had blue flames coming from the top during the first hour.

2) I did have the top and bottom vent open full at all times. Manual stated top vent open to keep window clean.

3) Yes, It is the the coal version, shaker is bottom right, small rod with hole to attach a handle to shake the ash.

4) Perhaps I need to adjust the venting. I want it to burn hot all the time, so i figured open vents full all the time. Am i wrong?

Thanks,
wpkm
New Member
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:14 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: Morso
Stove/Furnace Model: 1410 coal

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: EasyRay On: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:56 am

bksaun had the answer for you. Close the top vent and adjust from underneath the coal.
Regards, Ray
EasyRay
Member
 
Posts: 161
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:44 pm
Location: Central Connecticut
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC 2000

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:12 am

Use the under the fire air vents only.. The top vents are for burning wood..

If you look at the design of made-for-coal-only stoves, they don't even have top vents.. only air vents for under the fire..

Let us know how you are doing..

Greg L.
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?
User avatar
LsFarm
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 5432
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:02 pm
Location: Michigan
Stove/Furnace Make: Axeman Anderson and Custom
Stove/Furnace Model: Boilers: AA 260M, BBertha 250K

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: wpkm On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:50 pm

Hi All,

Well I tried using the coal stove again with the top vent closed and the bottom vent wide open. Outside air temp 55 degrees, hot bed of charcoal, added pea anthracite, had a good blue flame going for about an hour, then the slow death again. Guy at work told me each piece of coal will get a layer of ash and suffocate unless shaken. I have not been shaking the grate. Should I? I thought only twice a day.

Thanks,
wpkm
New Member
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:14 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: Morso
Stove/Furnace Model: 1410 coal

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: rockwood On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:24 pm

I don't know of any stove that needs a shake an hour after lighting.
Maybe someone could chime in who has this particular stove.

Tell us about your chimney.
The fire may not be getting enough air through it because of a chimney problem.
User avatar
rockwood
Member
 
Posts: 701
Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:37 pm
Location: Northern Utah
Stove/Furnace Make: Rockwood Stoveworks, Malleable
Stove/Furnace Model: Circulator stove, Cookstove

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: wpkm On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:39 pm

Chimney is in center of house, clay lined, fireplace and furnace have their own clay liners. All three are separted by the clay liners. Nothing really else to say about it, 6 inch pipe. Also house is 18 yrs old, first time this part of chimney has been used.
Attachments
DSCN4094.JPG
(171.22 KiB) Viewed 171 times
View: New PagePopup • Select:BBCode
Chimney is in center of house, separte clay lined, fireplace and furnace have their own clay liners.
[nepathumb]7723[/nepathumb]
DSCN4162.JPG
(434.7 KiB) Viewed 54 times
View: New PagePopup • Select:BBCode
chimney
[nepathumb]7725[/nepathumb]
wpkm
New Member
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:14 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: Morso
Stove/Furnace Model: 1410 coal

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:42 pm

How tall is the chimney and where did the coal come from (brand/source,etc.). Also your location please. We'll figure it out.
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & an Alaska Kast Console (heating DHW).
"It's what we learn after we think we know it all that counts."
Conservative 1st, Republican 2nd
User avatar
Wood'nCoal
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 4655
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:48 pm
Location: Stillwater, NJ
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman/Alaska/GJ Boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: Magnafire Mark I/Kast Console

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: wpkm On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:57 pm

Hi,

The coal is in 40Lbs bags , company is Blaschak coal corp from Mahanoy city, PA. Anthracite pea size. Chimney is approx 30ft. I live in northeastern massachusetts.

thanks,
wpkm
New Member
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:14 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: Morso
Stove/Furnace Model: 1410 coal

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:18 pm

Is your basement cleanout door fully closed/locked/sealed ? Check to make sure theres no way air could enter this area. I'm looking for anything that could reduce the draft.
User avatar
Uglysquirrel
Member
 
Posts: 354
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:27 pm
Location: The Old America I once knew
Stove/Furnace Model: Love My Pocono

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:26 pm

BTW, nice home you have. Is the pipe going into the flue sealed all around with cement ?, we're dealing with low drafts with these +50 degrees days and any leak would not help the draft especially with pea since the pieces are so close together compared to nut. Also, your home seems to be quite new and I would not bee to surprised if you have very low air infiltration. Open a nearby window 2-3" and try to burn it again, you may need some sort of dedicated air inlet especially since it seems your stove is on the first floor. Hope this helps. Bruce
User avatar
Uglysquirrel
Member
 
Posts: 354
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:27 pm
Location: The Old America I once knew
Stove/Furnace Model: Love My Pocono

Re: trouble keeping coal stove buring

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:30 pm

wpkm wrote:Hi All,

Just bought a Morso 1410 coal stove. About 6th time lighting it up but only burns for about 2 hours hot, then slowely dies.


The problem appears to be that you bought a wood stove. While the website page for this stove mentions coal, the manual clearly states several times that this is a wood burning stove only.
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. Winston Churchill

Burning rice coal in a Harman VF3000 stoker boiler, nut coal in a hand fired Jotul 507.
User avatar
coalkirk
State of Maryland Moderator
 
Posts: 2581
Joined: Wed May 17, 2006 7:12 pm
Location: Forest Hill MD
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: VF-3000 stoker boiler