Science, Creationism and Intelligent Design

spc wrote:

ErikLaurence wrote:ID and creationism can't be tested, it is an article of faith.

With that ridiculous statement, nether can evolution.

Our founding fathers believed,read the Declaration of Independence.

Ever read the Jefferson Bible? http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

It's Thomas Jefferson's redacted version of the new testament. He edited out all the hocus pocus.

ErikLaurence wrote:If you can't test the theory, it is an article of faith.

Trying to prove there may be ID isn't science?

Key word in there my friend, THEORY.
Ever thumb through a copy of Victoria Secret? I don't have faith enough to believe that evolved. Sorry.

ErikLaurence wrote:

spc wrote:

ErikLaurence wrote:ID and creationism can't be tested, it is an article of faith.

With that ridiculous statement, nether can evolution.

Our founding fathers believed,read the Declaration of Independence.

Ever read the Jefferson Bible? http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

It's Thomas Jefferson's redacted version of the new testament. He edited out all the hocus pocus.

Whats that got to do with this,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
-Declaration of Independence

coalmeister wrote:Key word in there my friend, THEORY.
Ever thumb through a copy of Victoria Secret? I don't have faith enough to believe that evolved. Sorry.

All science is a theory awaiting more data.

Gravity is a theory, we don't know why it works.

Do you think the ladies in Victoria Secret really evolved from pond scum? Just curious

YES, WITH A LITTLE SILICONE HELP.

coalmeister wrote:Do you think the ladies in Victoria Secret really evolved from pond scum? Just curious

Well I know one thing.........GW Bush definitely did!!..(& not that much more highly evolved either!!)

(In case you get confused, (which is easy to do)....Bush is the one on the left.)

Did Darwin ever answer the question of where the first living cell came from?
How do cells know where to go to form any living thing? How many cells form the human body? Every cell has to know where to go to form all the parts of our body. What tells them where to go? Are they programmed? If so who programmed them?

spc wrote:Did Darwin ever answer the question of where the first living cell came from

Yes he did Stephen.....I think he said it came from Toledo, Ohio..........but I could be mistaken

Edit:

Missed your other questions...Let me take a stab at them:

How do cells know where to go to form any living thing?...........GPS??
How many cells form the human body? .............Trick Question!...........Depends on how fat your are?
Every cell has to know where to go to form all the parts of our body. What tells them where to go? .........Their Wife?
Are they programmed?......Yes
If so who programmed them?.........Richard??



Sorry......Just adding a little humor to the world.

You have just made my argument for me.

Science is an iterative process.

You make observations. You create a theory that explains the observations. You gather more data. You refine the theory. Repeat the process.

If you can't test the theory, it is an article of faith.[/quote]


pretty weak argument if that "makes" it for you.

If you're sincerely interested in learning the truth, or at least hearing from both sides, and you have a scientific bent, read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Creator-Jour ... 0310241448

It's pretty dense reading and most folks I have given a copy to have never read more than a chapter or two before announcing that it is nonsense. I've read it several times and enjoy it. The author started out as an agnostic searching for the truth as best he could explain it.

ErikLaurence wrote:

spc wrote:

ErikLaurence wrote:ID and creationism can't be tested, it is an article of faith.

With that ridiculous statement, nether can evolution.

Our founding fathers believed,read the Declaration of Independence.

Ever read the Jefferson Bible? http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

It's Thomas Jefferson's redacted version of the new testament. He edited out all the hocus pocus.

So anyone can now edit any document and it's to be considered as valid by some standard?

Wait...I think he started the first Wiki or internet forum...they play by the same rules!!!

Here's a pretty simple article discussing Abiogensis in a scientific fashion:

http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/ar ... nesis.html

kootch88 wrote:YES, WITH A LITTLE SILICONE HELP.

In a few spots, but there are plenty of beauties w/o help.

Ever look at a humming bird, a porcupine, a skunk, a dragonfly, a firefly, a bumblebee, etc and really think they were not all uniquely created? Man with all our intelligence has never created a single living thing from scratch, yet people think all of nature came from virtually nothing. How interesting. Scientists only recently figured out how a bumblebee can fly, with all our brains and technology it still took this long to figure it out, but people think it just happened on it's own? That's not even logical.

Even if I did not believe in God this would be too much of a stretch for me.

av8r wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Case-Creator-Jour ... 0310241448

It's pretty dense reading and most folks I have given a copy to have never read more than a chapter or two before announcing that it is nonsense. I've read it several times and enjoy it. The author started out as an agnostic searching for the truth as best he could explain it.

You realize that's a "science" book that's written by a journalist...

Y'all shot your wad with the dover case and lost. Not only lost, but got laughed out of court by a GWB appointed judge.

Under cross examination Behe (who actually has a PhD in biochemistry) caved and said there was "there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred". He was teh token scientist the ID people could find.

I'm all for faith, but don't pretend it's science.