Who Said This

Who Said This

PostBy: spc On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:01 pm

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:44 pm

spc wrote:"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."


John McCain? (way to deep for Sarah Palin)...If she were to say it, it would come out like this: " Mr. Parks.......We need more love................. & flowers in the world......You betcha!"
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: av8r On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:42 pm

Nikita Khrushchev
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: kootch88 On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:09 pm

Nikita didn't last very long, did he? Heck even China is moving away from Communism, so it is no secret it doesn't work, even Sarah gets that idea. Will you ultra conservative witch doctors go into hiding once Obama wins? :doh:
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: av8r On: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:16 pm

Once?

heehehe....aren't you going to be surprised!
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: Cyber36 On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:56 pm

Karl Marx.............
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: coalmeister On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:05 pm

Nikita Khrushchev
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: coalmeister On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:11 pm

kootch88 wrote:Nikita didn't last very long, did he? Heck even China is moving away from Communism, so it is no secret it doesn't work, even Sarah gets that idea. Will you ultra conservative witch doctors go into hiding once Obama wins? :doh:


Not hiding, just sitting on the sidelines, but laughing (& crying). Sidelines might even be Costa Rica with my sweat equity safely out of reach of the new Karl Marx
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:34 pm

It's time we grew up a bit in this country. Name calling does absolutely nothing to help us understand compluicated things in this world. Example:

All John McCain has to do is brand Obama with the word "Socialist" & he thinks it's like calling him a NAZI!
We have many forms of "Socialism" in this country & that is not bad. The health care system that our military, Congress & even the President has is a form of Socialism, & the American people would be much better off if we all had it, rather than just a privileged few. Social Security is Socialism while the corporate greed that has put us in an economic crisis is "Capitalism."
The best system has some of each in order to work well & be fair to everyone (fair opportunities for success is what I mean)
My point is, name calling usually done by the weak side of a debate, & does nothing to explain reality in a complicated world.
McCain's whole campaign has been based on name calling, trickery & attempted distraction, & for that, his "Country First" slogan is the height of deceit & hypocrisy & is insulting to every American with a brain!...That's why he deserves to lose the election....& will.
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: BugsyR On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:15 pm

Devil505 wrote: ... The health care system that our military, Congress & even the President has is a form of Socialism, & the American people would be much better off if we all had it, rather than just a privileged few...


Once again I would love to know what your knowledge is of the "priviledged" Military's health benefits. And yes you are absolutely right...the military is priviledged...VERY priviledged...they volunteer...still...for very low pay...to do what a crap load of Americans absolutely won't.
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: SAU On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:39 pm

Devil505 wrote:It's time we grew up a bit in this country. Name calling does absolutely nothing to help us understand compluicated things in this world. Example:

All John McCain has to do is brand Obama with the word "Socialist" & he thinks it's like calling him a NAZI!
We have many forms of "Socialism" in this country & that is not bad. The health care system that our military, Congress & even the President has is a form of Socialism, & the American people would be much better off if we all had it, rather than just a privileged few. Social Security is Socialism while the corporate greed that has put us in an economic crisis is "Capitalism."
The best system has some of each in order to work well & be fair to everyone (fair opportunities for success is what I mean)
My point is, name calling usually done by the weak side of a debate, & does nothing to explain reality in a complicated world.
McCain's whole campaign has been based on name calling, trickery & attempted distraction, & for that, his "Country First" slogan is the height of deceit & hypocrisy & is insulting to every American with a brain!...That's why he deserves to lose the election....& will.



Can you reiterate why you are voting for Paul? You are the antithesis to Paul's message.

kootch88 wrote:Nikita didn't last very long, did he? Heck even China is moving away from Communism, so it is no secret it doesn't work, even Sarah gets that idea. Will you ultra conservative witch doctors go into hiding once Obama wins? :doh:


We will have to go into hiding because we will be censored for the greater good. McCain and Obama will both gladly keep you from truth and controversial opinions, particularly opinions of individual sovereignty. Just think, it will be a utopia like we haven't seen since the church denied freedom of speech during the dark ages. We can have witch burnings and all other types of celebratory gatherings as we worship the state.

AUSTRALIA will join China in implementing mandatory censoring of the internet under plans put forward by the Federal Government.

The revelations emerge as US tech giants Google, Microsoft and Yahoo, and a coalition of human rights and other groups unveiled a code of conduct aimed at safeguarding online freedom of speech and privacy.



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 62,00.html
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:44 pm

BugsyR wrote:Once again I would love to know what your knowledge is of the "priviledged" Military's health benefits.


My knowledge of government based health insurance is pretty good. The government doesn't run the health care system it provides to government employees , it simply makes it universal & affordable. I assume military health plans are similar to civilian in their concept of this universality & affordablity to all members.
Example: Civilian government employees get to pick from a few different providers (ie Blue Cross, etc) during "open season" periods of the year. I doubt the military functions exactly the same way Mike but the concepts are the same. No?
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:51 pm

SAU wrote:Can you reiterate why you are voting for Paul? You are the antithesis to Paul's message.


I am voting for Ron Paul due to his honesty (as compared to John McCain) & some of his core beliefs. Example: While McCain runs around calling Obama a Socialist, he (McCain) pushed harder for the "Socialist" bailout bill than anyone else. Obama also voted for it. Ron Paul was against it.
As I've said b4, if my tax money is going to be used to "Nationalize" private business......I want to own Exxon-Mobil!
While I actually like Obama, I cannot vote for him due to his party affiliation as a Democrat this year.The Democratic Party is guilty of "Desertion in the face of the enemy" this year.......GW Bush being the enemy of the United States, imo.
Do I support all of Ron Paul's beliefs?...No
Do I support all of any candidate's beliefs?...No
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: coalmeister On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:20 pm

"McCain runs around calling Obama a Socialist, he (McCain) pushed harder for the "Socialist" bailout bill than anyone else."

To be honest we all don't like the fact that they voted for the bill, but no one really know what might have happened if they has not. If we had all ended up selling apples on the corner that would have been a tough time to find out we were wrong.
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Re: Who Said This

PostBy: BugsyR On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:52 pm

Devil505 wrote: My knowledge of government based health insurance is pretty good. The government doesn't run the health care system it provides to government employees , it simply makes it universal & affordable. I assume military health plans are similar to civilian in their concept of this universality & affordablity to all members.
Example: Civilian government employees get to pick from a few different providers (ie Blue Cross, etc) during "open season" periods of the year. I doubt the military functions exactly the same way Mike but the concepts are the same. No?


IRT the Government's Health Care policy...how does having Blue Cross health insurance "picked" during an open season allowing government employees to choose any Doctor that accepts Blue Cross equate to something similar to Social Medicine????

The government doesn't run the health care system it provides to government employees

I don't think this sounds like social medicine either

"The health care system that our military, Congress & even the President has is a form of Socialism"


The MILITARY health care system is extremely close to Social Medicine...that is what makes it so BAD...not many choices of health care (sometimes no choice at all especially when you are near to a military provider...get in line and wait...hmmm...social medicine get in line and wait). If you never had to deal with the system (or wait for health care) you would never be able to understand.
Also...I've just been to the Doc and this wonderful social medicine for Military Retirees have already sent me a bill. Catastrophic Cap reset back to $0 two months ago....yeah for me....more Social Medical Bills.
Oh yeah...got the Bill for younger Daughter's Vaccinations...they weren't covered by my Military Retiree's Social Medicine Health Care. Personally, I still don't feel "priviledged".

The government could do much... much... much better for their volunteers. Today I have to reach that Catastrophic Cap before I get to receive outstanding health care privileges. I pray I never have a year like that. (as long as we stay somewhat healthy I will benefit better than monthly insurance payers)
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