Philip J. Berg is Appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court

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PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:42 am

charlie wrote:This one particular issues is very disturbing to me. Yes, there are lots of distractions, but this is such a no-brainer. Just produce the birth certificate.


That would merely add to the distractions, not end them. Here is a reprint of my earlier answer to Richard that I think explains things as I'm sure they would unfold if Obama fell for their trick to have him release it:



You know the "Swiftboaters" would challenge ANY document as "Phony" because,....hmmmmm....Let's see:

1. The ink doesn't match the ink used on all other birth certificates from the same source?

2. The paper can be proven to have come from the Pakistan Tribal Area?

3. A careful examination under an electron microscope reveals Obama's name was super-imposed over another (original) name on the document?. (let's see if we cam make out that original name........Looks like....Osama Bin Kadin??....That "K" could be an "L" though) :gee:


4. Carbon dating of the document proves it was manufactured last Tuesday?

I could probably go on for pages & pages! :lol:




What you all fail to take into account is that Hillary Clinton's well oiled, funded a very smart political machine would have blown Obama right out of the race over a year ago if there was anything to this birth certificate story. She is much smarter & more ruthless than John McCain could ever aspire to be. The story is BS!
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Re: Philip J. Berg is Appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:53 am

LsFarm wrote:I think if you sat back are did a search on your 3000+ politically slanted posts.. even you would be nauseated from the bile and vitriol in your slanted outlook.


Looking back on the country that was turned over to GW Bush 8 years ago vs what's left of the country that he will be dumping on the next President, I think I should go back over all my anti-Bush remarks & "take the gloves off"...... be not quite so PC....Add a little more vitriol & ...Speak My Mind! :nana:
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PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:13 pm

Take a good snapshot Dev.. its as good as it gets,, right now.. if Obama manages to double and triple our energy costs, outlaw burning coal, all for the liberal 'green' crap. Outlaw drilling... and use our taxes to pay for ridiculous energy policies that won't pay off for decades...

Take a look out the window,, take a snapshot... this is as good as it gets.. The next great depression is coming.. thanks to the liberal idiot voters and the liberal slanted medial..

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Re: Philip J. Berg is Appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:53 pm

I don't understand what the McCain supporters are asking for. An original birth certificate? Very few people have their "original" birth certificate, i.e. the one filled out shortly after birth and given to the parents. It's usually a fill in the blanks with pen on a government form. Long, long ago every US state that issues birth certificates, computer prints them on demand from their records. The records are almost always kept by the state health department. You can buy two kinds, one with a raised seal and one without. The raised seal one costs more money and the state agencies are more restrictive as to who they will sell one to. Here in Maryland you need several ID's and need to appear in person at your local health department to make the request. You then appear in person to pick it up.

So does a birth certificate printed yesterday by a issuing agency less real and valid the "orginal" one? Obviously not. This issue is just made up BS.

My daughter was adopted as an infant from Chile. She has two birth certificates one issued in Chile, that according to local custom for adoptions, has the birth mothers name and my last name on the birth certificate. It's of the form, infants first name, birth mothers name, adoptive parent name. Her second birth certificate is issued by the state of Maryland, as directed by the court when she was adopted. It lists her adopted name only. It's in the form first name, new middle name and adoptive parent name. IT IS STAMPED NOT FOR PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. So if procedures in HI are the same as in many other states and if Obama were not US born the birth certificate would be so stamped. Sealed copy or not.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Most likely not, especially for families that moved a lot. It's not a big deal and this issue with Obama is just BS.
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PostBy: spc On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:10 pm

The state has a copy of the original.

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It would be nice to see what is filled in on line 7c (City, State or Foreign Country) of BO's original bc that's all. This matter could be put to rest pretty fast.
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:22 pm

spc wrote:he state has a copy of the original.



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PostBy: spc On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:37 pm

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ~Winston Churchill
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PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:40 pm

So you are suspecting what's on the right is altered? And it lists his birth place as outside the US.

If there's a forgery the computer records that have produced what is on the left would have also had to been altered. Otherwise it would also indicate "not proof of citizenship". Given that the computer records were likely created decades ago it's a bit of a stretch. I guess the law suit will settle it. Wait, no such luck, it will just make the issue last longer. :-)
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PostBy: spc On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:48 pm

Yanche wrote:So you are suspecting what's on the right is altered?

The one on the right is not BO's bc, It is someones original bc to show the difference. BO's original has not been produced, publicly anyway.
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:46 pm

Can we move on to something a but more important to tomorrow's election?....Like who had more overdue library books or something? (we sure no that Bush never had any!) :lol:
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PostBy: rberq On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:10 pm

LsFarm wrote:Dev you post thousands of posts with your foaming at the mouth hatred of anything Republican, cherry pick bits to run with and conpletely ignore documented facts [ like the congressional record] . This in my mind is very 'Juvenile'

I think if you sat back are did a search on your 3000+ politically slanted posts.. even you would be nauseated from the bile and vitriol in your slanted outlook.

God help us all.. I can see the next world wide depression on the horizon,, fueled by a liberal socialist democrat, elected to the presidency by an ignorant US public, driven by a slanted US media.


I had vowed to stay out of these debates, both political and religious. But Gosh, I find Devil to be a note of sanity in the midst of a bunch of fearful, credulous, grasping-at-straws conspiracy theorists. No bile and vitriol, simply a straightforward observation of the facts and the logical conclusions to be drawn from them.

And Richard, your "God help us" remark is astonishingly close to my way of thinking, with only a few words changed: "God help us all.. I can see the PRESENT world wide depression ALREADY UPON US, fueled by a CYNICAL LYING WAR CRIMINAL elected to the presidency by an ignorant US public, driven by a slanted US media." Amazing how we can look at something red, and you say it's blue and I say it's yellow. Like you I'm getting older, too, old enough to know that I might be wrong, but I still have to go with my own judgment just as you do. Too bad you don't live in my state, or I in yours. We could save time by not voting, since we will just cancel each other out. (Of course, one or more of us might cheat....)
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PostBy: spc On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:30 pm

rberq wrote:I find Devil to be a note of sanity

You two must be related, right? :?
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PostBy: rberq On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:44 pm

We're both descended from the apes. Whoops -- I promised to keep religion out of it. :)
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PostBy: spc On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:55 pm

For immediate release, straight from BO campaign headquarters, the Official Certificate of Live Birth:
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PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:44 pm

Yanche wrote:I don't understand what the McCain supporters are asking for. An original birth certificate? Very few people have their "original" birth certificate, i.e. the one filled out shortly after birth and given to the parents. It's usually a fill in the blanks with pen on a government form. Long, long ago every US state that issues birth certificates, computer prints them on demand from their records. The records are almost always kept by the state health department. You can buy two kinds, one with a raised seal and one without. The raised seal one costs more money and the state agencies are more restrictive as to who they will sell one to. Here in Maryland you need several ID's and need to appear in person at your local health department to make the request. You then appear in person to pick it up.

So does a birth certificate printed yesterday by a issuing agency less real and valid the "orginal" one? Obviously not. This issue is just made up BS.

My daughter was adopted as an infant from Chile. She has two birth certificates one issued in Chile, that according to local custom for adoptions, has the birth mothers name and my last name on the birth certificate. It's of the form, infants first name, birth mothers name, adoptive parent name. Her second birth certificate is issued by the state of Maryland, as directed by the court when she was adopted. It lists her adopted name only. It's in the form first name, new middle name and adoptive parent name. IT IS STAMPED NOT FOR PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. So if procedures in HI are the same as in many other states and if Obama were not US born the birth certificate would be so stamped. Sealed copy or not.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Most likely not, especially for families that moved a lot. It's not a big deal and this issue with Obama is just BS.


Any presidential candidate should produce a certified birth certificate. I don't believe that Obama has done that. That is the simple issue in a nutshell. He needs to produce the one with the raised seal, aka certified.

Yes, I do have my original birth certificate with a raised seal on a photostatic negative copy. I also obtained twice, apostille and certified copies of my birth certificate which are the computer generated kind. Obama has produced neither.

My question is who evaluates this? The fed elect comm? Why hasn't the Fed election commission weighed in to quell the mess.? At what point do you have to prove you are a natural born citizen?
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