Mini nuclear plants

Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:14 am

Freddy, you forgot to mention the 24/7 security system[s] that would necessarily go with each and every one of these bad boys!! Oh No, not guns plus nukes in my backyard. Then again,don't forget the massive new goverment agency that would have to be developed and deployed: "Department Of Small Community Nuclear Devices". Come to think of it might be better to stick with coal.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: kootch88 On: Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:58 pm

Think of the terrorists licking their chops on these mini nuke stations. They would have 20 -30 targets for every small city in the country, and forget about the large cities, or communities that chose this power source outside of the large metropolitan areas. We'd be broke in a few years trying to defend all these sites.

Second, do you trust quality control? Have any of you tried hiring anyone out of the younger generation these days? Quality work is pretty damned hard to come by these days. I'm not sure I would trust our work force to manufacture these things.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Berlin On: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:48 pm

his plan is to dramatically increase the price of energy causing everyone to consume less through an ever weakening economy. it's very simple really.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:56 am

Berlin ~ You wouldn't be referring to the "price fixing to achieve the desired result" scenario would you? He had better get some of the oil chancellors on his team this very minute if he intends to go that route. The oil people have that concept honed to perfection.Don't seem to be able to even question it anymore,so we are all conditioned.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: rockwood On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:47 am

I think Berlin is right, with energy derived from coal being hit first.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:19 pm

And the taxing of energy derived from coal is to reduce CO2.. to lower global warming.. which we will all need [ a warmer world] if we are deprived of reasonably priced energy... the whole population will have to move south to escape winter !

Greg >

Great plan...
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: tsb On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:54 pm

Hey guys ! Think "flying car ". Now how close do you think these plants are to reality ?
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:13 pm

Mini nukes make no sense from an economic standpoint. You need to staff them, you need to fuel them, you need to maintain them. Those expenses are not significantly smaller for a small nuke than a big one.

As for the security issues? No biggie, there are lots of small nukes all over the place that most people don't even realize are there. Did you know there's a small nuclear reactor in Cambridge Massachusetts? http://web.mit.edu/nrl/www/reactor/reactor.htm
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: lincolnmania On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:42 pm

this is a bunch of crap......china and india are the biggest polluters........i can just see what happens when several thousand poorly built mini nukes take a crap at a time, or oops i drilled into the nuke
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:55 pm

A mini nuclear power plant makes no economic sense. It will never happen. What MIGHT make sense is what I suggested earlier in this thread Mini nuclear plants. A re-use of existing power plant spent fuel rods for district heating plants. In no way is this a nuclear power plant, with liquid sodium pumping flow paths, massive cooling towers, etc. It would be something like the water pools now used to house the spent fuel rods at existing nuclear power plants. Those water pools are hot and will remain thermally hot for a long, long time. That thermal energy is now being wasted. By safely capturing that energy and distributing to residential or commercial customers you would in a sense have "free" heat. Free heat that does not generate CO2, a environmentally desirable process. For sure it could not really be free because there would be security issues in insuring that the spent fuel rods do not get into the wrong hands, but that issue is already solved at existing nuclear power plants. District heating in common in European cities and some old US cities. Spent fuel rods have enough energy left to make hot water but not enough left to make steam, that's why they are "spent".

What's needed is the political will to make this happen. It would be one step on the road to energy independence. Is it possible to do safely? I don't know, but right now it's not even being suggested.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:30 pm

I don't care a hoot for anything to do with nuclear power plants. They have the potential to be THE biggest environmental disaster with the additional problem of nuclear waste. Most everyone thinks that spent fuel rods are the big problem when in reality they are the most easily contained pollutants.In a reactors primary circulation system, there is a system that filters irradiated particles out. The filter media has such high levels of raw radiation that being near it has the same danger as being next to the reactor itself. And as for using sodium for cooling, two of the most famous accidents involved sodium. The navy lost an early sub and then the little plant in Russia. Chernoble, or chininski, or something like that. Most of the coal people should be pretty up on Nuclear problems. Wasn't 9 mile Island in Pa.? The real problem with nuke is that it concentrates everything. Uranium. Isotopes. pollutants. We have the brain power to come up with better.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:47 am

I don't think they've used liquid sodium since those accidents back in the 50's or early 60's.

I don't think spent rods have all that much heat in them. The spent rods from Maine Yankee are packed 24 at a time inside a welded stainless steel cask and encased in concrete, then left to air cool.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Blackdiamonddoug On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:52 am

Freddy
If you buy a mini nuke to go with your windmill Ill stop by on the weekend and stat it up for you!
Black diamond Doug
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:32 pm

Freddy wrote:I don't think spent rods have all that much heat in them. The spent rods from Maine Yankee are packed 24 at a time inside a welded stainless steel cask and encased in concrete, then left to air cool.
A quote from a American Nuclear Society Technical Paper, "For [approximately equal to]15 yr Dominion Generation's Surry Nuclear Station 15 × 15 Westinghouse pressurized water reactor (PWR) fuel was stored in a dry inert-atmosphere Castor V/21 cask at the Idaho National Environmental and Engineering Laboratory at peak cladding temperatures that decreased from ~350 to 150°C."

Full paper summary is here:

http://www.ans.org/pubs/journals/nt/va-144-2-186-200

150°C is certainly hot enough for hot water district heating purposes.
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Re: Mini nuclear plants

PostBy: Paulie On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:50 pm

Don't know much about them........but I kinda want one!
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