Did the Holocaust Happen?

Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: SAU On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:23 am

Arguments could be easily made that, to be a Jew is to be a religious person, not necessarily a race. Jewishness, if you will is officially passed on by the mother. What I am trying to say is that being a Jew is an ideology rather than being of a race. Now you could argue that an octaroon whose ancestry is mostly of white decent is still a black person I don't care for that argument as race means little to me, but legally, on the birth certificate under race, an octoroon should be listed as an African American, or what ever terminology they use. So, the Jews were persecuted for their religion and those assassinated by Stalin (whom by the way the U.S. supported) were killed for their political ideologies. In other words all of those people were killed for their beliefs. I'm not refuting what you are saying but rather saying tyrants are tyrants no matter the color of their victims skin.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: McKoker On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:00 am

One more analogy and I'll leave this topic alone....

My neighbor is Catholic. If he converted to Baptist, he'd be a baptist. If a person converts to Judaism, the Jewish community (at least one one I'm surrounded by) would not call that person a Jew. They're a convert. On the flipside, someone who converts from Judaism to Christianity often dons the label Messianic Jew, Jews for Jesus. Even after changing religious beliefs, they are still referred to as Jews (and not Israelis)
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: SAU On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:07 am

Yes, this probably isn't the proper fora for this discussion. However, I'm sticking to the religion, not race ideology.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:55 am

Jews that convert to Christianity are sometimes considered dead, with a ritual funeral, and cease to exist.

Eisenhower feared that future generations would not believe the event happened. My father's cousin, who was a party member, didn't deny the fact, but says that nobody knew what was happening in the camps, and that was all that was ever said.

We hosted exchange students from Germany throughout the 90s and one came back in 99. She was then in her 20s and wanted to visit for 2 weeks and visit Washington DC. It was the most miserable 2 weeks. We were walking down the street in DC and I told her that the Holocaust museum was just down the street on her right. She walked straight ahead and never looked. I thought she didn't hear me, so I told her again. She never looked. She looked right at me and said, quote: "How do you know it happened? Did you see it with your own eyes?"

Eisenhower's fears have come true.

I have seen the museum since then and the place is eerily silent. Nobody talks.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: bear creek burnout On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:04 am

Please do not take this personally...but if you have to ask about the reality of an event so well documented...by the Nazis as well as the Allies and Historians for the last 60+ years...you are intellectually challenged...dishonest and impaired. The better question...IMO...is "Why did the Holocaust happen?"
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: kootch88 On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:23 am

Please do not take this personally...but if you have to ask about the reality of an event so well documented...by the Nazis as well as the Allies and Historians for the last 60+ years...you are intellectually challenged...dishonest and impaired. The better question...IMO...is "Why did the Holocaust happen?"


While I agree the Holocaust clearly happened, and in the numbers documented, the reason for the topic was to bring awareness to it again. There are those that are unconvinced of the scope of the tragedy. Germans are highly organized and Nazis documented just about everything. They did in fact document the slaughter of the Jews, and though many of the records were destroyed, the vast majority survived, which I have never heard a convincing argument against by the non believers. All I have heard was the documentation was fabricated. So Bear, I do not think it is as simple as saying someone is a little slow on the uptake, and I do agree the reasons for it should be a more important issue.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:23 am

I do agree the reasons for it should be a more important issue.


Kooch, it probably would have saved you a lot of grief if you had made your intentions clearer and the fact that you believe the Holocaust did happen when you wrote the first post. The way I read it was that you had opinions but didn't make them clear.

The reasons for the Holocaust have been well documented, the internet makes it easy to learn about it.

In addition many non-Jews were killed, particularly from Poland.

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/

On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need".


Proof it happened?

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/video ... _camps.htm

My father had taken many photographs during his time with the 818th MAETS, the most striking one I found was a small contact print of a pile of dead, emaciated bodies.

http://www.315group.org/nurses.htm
My father's name is listed on this site in the historical records of the 818th.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: kootch88 On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:10 am

Woodncoal,

There was no grief and there were no rude comments at all. I wanted to see if there was truly any dissenting views on this so I took a neutral position when I started the thread.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: lincolnmania On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:22 am

it happened to american pow's too.......the nazis were no friggin good......my grandfather spent 18 months in a german pow camp......he was 82 pounds in 1945 when his camp was liberated.......health and nervous problems followed him the rest of his life.............we treated german pow's very well......alot of them were brought to the united states and they never left after the war
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: Paulie On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:43 pm

Well, how many million Irish died because of racial cleansing? How many Armenians? The list goes on and on throughout
history. Now trying to determine which mass murder is worse, political or racial? Please, dead is dead. The reason no one
called Russia on the purges is you would need to go to war to address it. The Germans had been beaten, so the files were open.
What separates the German attempt to exterminate the Jews from all others before or since( oh yes, it still goes on today) is
the industrial approach. The scale, the process, highly efficient "death factories". So as horrible as any attempt to wipe out a group
of people may be, the industrial approach takes the process to a new level of evil. Takes ones breath away when you study it.
That is why it stands out in history. No passion, just pure, calm, cool, efficient evil.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:51 pm

Paulie wrote:the industrial approach takes the process to a new level of evil. Takes ones breath away when you study it.
That is why it stands out in history. No passion, just pure calm, cool, efficient evil.


Great point!! :clap: :devil:

Historical Fact:

For almost 30 years, our space program was headed by the German rocket scientist Werner Von Braun. Since his death in 1977, it has been well documented that he knew full well of the atrocities committed on the slaves who built his V-2 rockets during WWII. He was an evil man, but our government hid that fact because we needed his rocket expertise to compete with the Russians, who had their own German rocket scientists.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: kootch88 On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:54 pm

I think you bring up a great point Pauilie about the indutrialization of the extermination. The other side of the coin is it was a stated policy to wipe them out from Europe entirely. Stalin killed nearly as many or more, but there was no methodology like the Nazis applied. It was in large part due to Stalin's paranoia and his desire to kill anyone who was or may become a potential threat to his power.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:04 pm

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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: kootch88 On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:28 pm

SAU wrote:Arguments could be easily made that, to be a Jew is to be a religious person, not necessarily a race. Jewishness, if you will is officially passed on by the mother. What I am trying to say is that being a Jew is an ideology rather than being of a race. Now you could argue that an octaroon whose ancestry is mostly of white decent is still a black person I don't care for that argument as race means little to me, but legally, on the birth certificate under race, an octoroon should be listed as an African American, or what ever terminology they use. So, the Jews were persecuted for their religion and those assassinated by Stalin (whom by the way the U.S. supported) were killed for their political ideologies. In other words all of those people were killed for their beliefs. I'm not refuting what you are saying but rather saying tyrants are tyrants no matter the color of their victims skin.


Who says they "should be" listed as black if they are an Octoroon? I know the old laws in the South had a plan laid out for such eventualities, but I didn't realize those archaic rules still applied. Doesn't is seem kind of crazy if someone is 87.5% white they would be classed as black? Pure racism is what it was. The reason why is the pure white race was soiled with that small amount of black blood.

We never supported Stalin's purges before the war, we did not support Stalin's purges during the war and we definitely didn't support Stalin's killings after the war. Granted, he was a partner in the War and we supplied them with tanks, planes and other materials, but we knew exactly who we were in bed with and always felt he was a slimy character. I know what you are getting at here, saying he was a wholesale killer to the highest degree and you are absolutely right, but as Paulie said earlier, the killing wasn't a state plan to eradicate the country like we eradicate our homes from cockroaches. That is the approach and attitude the Nazis had toward Jews.
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Re: Did the Holocaust Happen?

PostBy: SAU On: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:36 pm

The Russian Revolution

In 1905, while Russia was engaged in the Russo-Japanese War, the Communists tried to get the farmers to revolt against the Czar, but they refused. [Many of the leaders, including Lenin and Trotsky were exiled --ed].

After this aborted attempt, the Czar deposited $400,000,000 in the Chase Bank, National City Bank, Guaranty Trust Bank, the Hanover Trust Bank, and Manufacturers Trust Bank, and $80,000,000 in the Rothschild Bank in Paris, because he knew who was behind the growing revolutionary movement, and hoped to end it.

The Rothschilds, through Milner, planned the Russian Revolution, and along with Schiff (who gave $20 million), Sir George Buchanan, the Warburgs, the Rockefellers, the partners of J.P. Morgan (who gave at least $1 million), Olaf Aschberg (of the Nye Bank of Stockholm, Sweden), the Rhine Westphalian Syndicate, a financier named Jovotovsky (whose daughter later married Leon Trotsky), William Boyce Thompson (a director of Chase National Bank who contributed $1 million), and Albert H. Wiggin (President of Chase National Bank), helped finance it.

The Rockefellers had given their financial support after the Czar refused to give them access to the Russian oil fields, which were already being pumped by the Royal Dutch Co. (owned by the Rothschilds and the Nobel brothers) and giving Standard Oil plenty of competition on the international market. Even though John D. Rockefeller possessed $15,000,000 in bonds from the Royal Dutch Co. and Shell, rather than purchase stock to get his foot in the door and indirectly profit, he helped to finance the Revolution so that he would be able to get Standard Oil firmly established in the country of Russia. As the Congress of Vienna (1814) had shown, the Illuminati had never been able to control the affairs of Russia, so they had to get rid of the Czar so he couldn't interfere with their plans.

In October, 1917, the [Bolshevik Revolution] began. Grand Duke Nicholas said: "It is on God himself that the Bolshevicks are waging war." Czar Nicholas II (who succeeded Alexander III, 1881-94) was dethroned in March after a series of riots, and a provincial government was set up by Prince George Lvov, a liberal progressive reformer who wanted to set up a democracy. He made an effort to strengthen the Russian Army to prevent any future revolts but ended up resigning which allowed Kerensky, a democratic Socialist, to take over and form a coalition government. He kept the war with Germany going, and issued an amnesty order for the Communists who had been exiles after the aborted Red Revolution in 1905. Nearly 250,000 revolutionaries returned to Russia.


http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... alWarn07-3

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Many parts of our history are "edited" by the people who own the printing presses.
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