Blu-Ray Worth It?

Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:01 am

Adamiscold wrote:Online streaming is going to take awhile before it can catch up with the quality of BR. The one biggest problem with streaming is the video quality is just not up to par and has been the biggest complaint about online streaming.


Depends, I've seen some excellent examples of HD streaming video in the 8000kbps area which technically can be streamed over Comcasts highest plan now. the issue is if everyone did that they don't have the infrastructure to support it. The current crop of "HD" streams are in the 2000kbps to 4000kbps range which is only a samll fraction of what a typical blu Ray is encoded at.

Try the T2 video here at the bottom of the page, it's excellent example of what can done. It's just below 9000kbps : http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ii ... ming/demo/

Here's another fine example: http://www.thehdweb.com/
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:04 am

All the cable companies have PPV and that has not eclipsed rentals. I think if they marketed the PPV channels better and had packages you could buy to lower the cost then it would out sell rentals. I remove them from my favorite list because who want to scroll through another 100 channels.

I had FIOS and have been a Diretv customer for many years. I also tried cable too. FIOS had good quality HD that was on par with DTV and instant channel changing. Cable wasn't bad but they still had analog channels at the time that looked awful. The biggest difference is that DTV has the best Digital recorder. Their box is head and shoulders better than any of the others. Also, their Har drives are twice the size of the others which is nice when taping HD channels that use lots of space. With cable you had to know the day and time the movie or show that you wanted to tape was on another terrible feature of their box.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:24 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Adamiscold wrote:Online streaming is going to take awhile before it can catch up with the quality of BR. The one biggest problem with streaming is the video quality is just not up to par and has been the biggest complaint about online streaming.


Depends, I've seen some excellent examples of HD streaming video in the 8000kbps area which technically can be streamed over Comcasts highest plan now. the issue is if everyone did that they don't have the infrastructure to support it. The current crop of "HD" streams are in the 2000kbps to 4000kbps range which is only a samll fraction of what a typical blu Ray is encoded at.

Try the T2 video here at the bottom of the page, it's excellent example of what can done. It's just below 9000kbps : http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ii ... ming/demo/

Here's another fine example: http://www.thehdweb.com/


The samples look great, unfortunately from all the reviews I've read it's always been lacking. For my self I don't want to be watching hd movies on a 22 inch monitor, I want it on my 60" Sony SXRD while sitting in a nice comfortable chair. I know there has been guys over at the AVS Forums who usually have pictures comparing the quality between the varies formats. I'm sure they can have streaming as good as BR and even at some point in time it will exceed the BR quality, but it's all about bandwidth and there just isn't enough of it. I remember reading some where that the WWW2 backbone of the internet that they are building is going to be maxed out in the next fives years or so. That in itself is something that is going to have to be fixed in order to make streaming part of the norm. Another big factor is having companies like Sony with their deep investment in BR to allow such a high level of quality of their movies be available online.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:36 pm

traderfjp wrote: The biggest difference is that DTV has the best Digital recorder. Their box is head and shoulders better than any of the others. Also, their Har drives are twice the size of the others which is nice when taping HD channels that use lots of space.



You can now buy DTV box's outright and upgrade the hard drive to your liking. http://www.weaknees.com/directv-hd-dvr.php
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:20 pm

Adamiscold wrote:The samples look great, unfortunately from all the reviews I've read it's always been lacking. For my self I don't want to be watching hd movies on a 22 inch monitor, I want it on my 60" Sony SXRD while sitting in a nice comfortable chair. .


You can do that, you just need the right graphics card. I haven't researched it so I have no idea what to suggest for HD. I do it now with SD TV but not for viewing , I use it for previewing my edits. I have a Canopus DV converter but it also has the ability to output analog when fed a DV stream. I send the DV to it and I can preview on a small TV. :D You really need to make sure it looks good on SD as it's completely different than on a computer going back to the deintelacing.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: av8r On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:59 pm

If you haven't see vudu...better take a look

http://www.vudu.com/

Also http://www.hulu.com
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:18 am

Richard S. wrote:
Adamiscold wrote:The samples look great, unfortunately from all the reviews I've read it's always been lacking. For my self I don't want to be watching hd movies on a 22 inch monitor, I want it on my 60" Sony SXRD while sitting in a nice comfortable chair. .


You can do that, you just need the right graphics card. I haven't researched it so I have no idea what to suggest for HD.



The graphic cards for HD output from a computer are still in the lacking department, there are a couple of them but there are not were they really need to be from what I have read. The other bad side is having to have a strong enough computer to run the movie flawlessly. The higher the bit rate the stronger the cpu, graphics cards and more memory needed to run them. I know that at one point I believe the minimum cpu recommended was 3.0 Mhz, I'm sure it's less now with the better chips coming out like the high marks the new Intel Core i7's http://www.engadget.com/tag/core+i7/ are getting, but still it's a good size investment much like when you are looking to use your pc for gaming, it needs a lot of power.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:33 am

av8r wrote:If you haven't see vudu...better take a look

http://www.vudu.com/

Also http://www.hulu.com



One problem with buying a separate set top box from a company that only sells the one product is how long they are going to be around? A couple of companies have falling to the waste side who were just offering down loadable movies. Vudu http://www.engadget.com/topics/hd/2008/ ... rspective/ does sound tempting but when you really look at the numbers you have to question is it really worth it? It cost's $300.00 for the box and in-between $3.99-5.99 for an hd movie that you have to wait for it to download. The download counts against your maximum amount of usage you are allowed to use from your Internet service provider. That $300.00 for the box would pay for almost a whole year and a half worth of monthly fees on the Blockbuster plan of 3 movies out at a time and up to 5 free in store movie exchange rentals. For your money you could easily watch 3-4 times as many movies through Blockbuster as you could through Vudu with better picture and sound quailty and with out the worring if the company you are using is going to still be open and running the next day.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:58 pm

Well I made the jump and went for a Samsung BD-1500, we are in a word... Happy. The only drawback is my 1yr old Vizio 50" is 1080i and not P so I'm missing out from the very top tier of visual enjoyment. I guess, but hell I can't see a huge difference from 1018p I saw, actually it looks better that 720p that I was watching in the store so I'd say I'm about in the middle somewhere.
As I mentioned before my brothers TV hurt the hell out of my eyes and as was explained (quite nicely I might add) it was all in the set-up in the actual set. My picture is crystal clear but not RAZOR sharp to the point of discomfort like my brother has his set for, I tweaked my settings a tad and it looks great IMO. It does have DVD up-conversion and the audio is quite better as well. I watched my RHCP Live at Slane Castle and the picture and sound quality was noticeably better. :) Very pleased to say the least.
If I feel like it I might go through effort and hook up a ethernet line and get streaming from Netflix instead of buying movies at the store. I'm sure within the next few years downstreaming videos to the TV /DVD will be just a normal as everything else we do. For now my little brother has a huge library so I'll just borrow from him.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: av8r On: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:20 pm

Adamiscold wrote:
av8r wrote:If you haven't see vudu...better take a look

http://www.vudu.com/

Also http://www.hulu.com



One problem with buying a separate set top box from a company that only sells the one product is how long they are going to be around? A couple of companies have falling to the waste side who were just offering down loadable movies. Vudu http://www.engadget.com/topics/hd/2008/ ... rspective/ does sound tempting but when you really look at the numbers you have to question is it really worth it? It cost's $300.00 for the box and in-between $3.99-5.99 for an hd movie that you have to wait for it to download. The download counts against your maximum amount of usage you are allowed to use from your Internet service provider. That $300.00 for the box would pay for almost a whole year and a half worth of monthly fees on the Blockbuster plan of 3 movies out at a time and up to 5 free in store movie exchange rentals. For your money you could easily watch 3-4 times as many movies through Blockbuster as you could through Vudu with better picture and sound quailty and with out the worring if the company you are using is going to still be open and running the next day.


In-house appliances are the next big thing in home entertainment. While there may be some companies going OOB, someone will buy the customer base and keep them happy. Cisco has made a HUGE commitment to streaming, in-home entertainment and has been busy buying up all kinds of companies that do this kind of thing. It's not going away any time soon.

My ISP has no monthly caps...I can use all I want. Every company that has imposed a cap has either had to pull it back or modify it due to people leaving to go elsewhere. Bandwidth is not the limitation it was 18 months ago. Most cable infrastructure has the ability to bring 1gb to your house without issue right now. Using newer technologies and things like DWDM any ISP can provide pretty much unlimited bandwidth with existing infrastructure.

I use Netflix and have averaged 9 movies a month using the 2 at a time, unlimited monthly (we pause the subscription for June, July and August) and while it's really handy, there is no comparison to choosing a movie with my remote and having it ready when I want it and not when the postman delivers it. I will not set foot in a rental store... P I T A
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:24 am

there is no comparison to choosing a movie with my remote and having it ready when I want it and not when the postman delivers it. I will not set foot in a rental store... P I T A


Damn straight. If On Demand ( Charter) had a larger library this would be a non-issue for me. If Netflix can do it then so can you service provider....I would think.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:41 am

On demand is often more expensive then Netflix. Also, you have a window in which you have to watch the movie and the inventory of movies is not that good. There needs to be netflix like software so you can download 2-3 movies at a time and once they ware finished you can download the next one.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:06 am

Ed congrats on the big leap to Blu-Ray. Do you mind if I ask what the Blu-Ray player cost you?


Edit: Forgot to mention. You may want to connect your player to the Internet anyways even if you are not going to be down loading movies just so you'll have the ability to up date the firmware for your player to take advantage of the newest features coming out on Blu-Ray disc's.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:26 am

Adam, I only paid $199 at Circuit City. We did lot's of research and reviews of different machines and this one kept popping up as a good choice.
I sure wish it wireless, it'll be a pain to hardwire it from the otherside of the house, for now I'll use a flash drive to upload firmware updates.
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Re: Blu-Ray Worth It?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:17 pm

That's not a bad price for a blu-ray player. It's nice to see the prices finally coming down to within reach for people. Ed all you have to do is run one cat6 cable across your house to a hub and then you would have all those future ports there ready for use when you need them for things like gaming, media centers, or even future TV sets. :)
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