Invisible Fence

Invisible Fence

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:46 pm

One of my friends has a new pup and is interested in the Invisible Fence system. I don't have it, Rokit stays in the yard and listens to us, and my mallet-head dog Havik would probably run through it, shock collar and all. Anyone have any experiences?
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:23 pm

The only thing is, the dog needs to be trained to it. If they ever once go across, they will forever. They have to think it's a non stop zone of hurt. I don't like to shock a dog. Why not just train it to stay? Everyone thinks I have an invisible fence because I have white flags every 25 feet across the front of the yard. They are 30 feet from the road. Once in a while the dog will take one step past, but she's never gone to the road since the day of training. People will go by with barking dogs and my dog will stand at the flags & bark. She won't even come to the road if I go out & call her! (That took a few days of 10 min a day)
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: gambler On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:28 pm

It depends on how pig headed the dog is. A guy I work with got one for his pup 2 years ago and the dog does well with the fence. On the other hand my neighbor had one for his dog but the dog found out if he ran hard at the end of the yard he would take his hit and then be free as a bird. It was funny watching him do this. When he hit the fence at full speed and recieve the shock his legs would buckle and he would go ass over tin cups with a big yelp and then stand up and shake himself off then act like nothing had happened. But he would not come back through to get to the house again.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:28 pm

The other thing I don't like is that it doesn't prevent other dogs, cats, foxes,etc from walking into your yard, & they aren't all that cheap. Our lot is wooded on sides & I ran 6' weldwire all around for little money!
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: bear creek burnout On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:44 pm

I had the invisible fence system....or was it hidden fence?....it works for even the most stubborn dogs if you train them properly by following the training ritual and schedule that has worked for years. You have to get your dog to the point of anticipation....anticipating the "shock" or correction that is coming just after the "beep". I trained 4 dogs on the system....my only problem is that my dogs wouldn't stay out without me which defeats the purpose of the system.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: gambler On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:51 pm

Freddy wrote:Why not just train it to stay?

Some dogs are really hard to train.

Freddy wrote:I don't like to shock a dog.

I don't like to shock a dog either. A shock collar is a tool to aid in quicker longer range training. If the dog yelps it is set too high. It should just be a quick discomfort. I have had several beagles, and one in particular was really hard to train. He used to chase deer and I spent 3 months going out into the woods every night in the winter to find fresh deer tracks so that i was sure of what he was chasing. Once he started chasing you might as well stick your finger up your ass than try to yell for him to stop. Do you realize how hard it is to chase a dog through the woods at night when he is running? But anyway I finally broke him of running deer but I never did fully trust him. The next beagle I got I purchased a shock collar and she had it on every time she was loose. She is the best behaved beagle I have had and I have had 4 of them. I did feel bad one time when she was about 8 months old she was a very good rabbit hunter at that young age but one day we kicked up a deer and she took off after it. By the time I realized it was a deer she was chasing she was out of range for the shock collar. I had even turned it to high but she was gone. I yelled for her for about 20 min and she did not return. I was really Po'ed and hit the shock button. What I didn't realize was she was coming back and was in the tall grass about 75 yards from me. Remember now the collar was still turned to high. That poor dog left out the biggest squall and was writhing around on the ground like she had been hit in the head with a hammer. I felt really bad but she has never chased another deer since. I have even seen her stand there and watch them run away. I fully trust her in that if she starts barking it is a rabbit she is chasing. So yes a shock collar can be a valuable tool when used correctly. The same with a hidden fence.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: kjb197 On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:14 pm

It works. I have it for 2 dogs, followed the 2 week training instructions and neither has ever crossed. Talked a friend into trying it for his "stubborn" dog and he was happier with it than I was. Save yourself $1000 and get a different brand and install it yourself. $400 I got Innotech, 1500 feet of 18 gauge (vs 20) wire, battery back up, 2 collars, and a remote. Bury it 1" in your yard with an edger and if the wire is going through woods just lay it on the ground. Train for minor discomfort, they need to know what it feels like. But when the training is over the shock needs to be a deterrent. You'll figure out how high to go with the training process. If you follow the training you will be 100% confident in it.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: Horace On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:34 am

Try these guys:

http://www.lcsupply.com/

If your friend has questions, they have answers and will treat him well.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: lincolnmania On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:56 am

i helped a friend install one yrs ago cause his lab was always running off.......she would run right thru it and then not come back
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:28 am

Thanks for the info, I'll pass it along.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: japar On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:50 pm

I had a Doberman and and trained her and it worked great, she
never once left the yard that was years ago she has sence passed away. Then I was having problems with the wife going to the casino just dumping money in those stupid slot machines. I warned her that if she didn't stop I would put the shock collar on her. Well she didn't listen and I had to put the collar on her. The very first day she got the shock of her life. She got in the car put it in reverse and gunned it. She went flying out the drive-way hit the mailbox accross the street. She sat there shaking for about a minute then lit a cigarrette then sped off. That was 2 years ago , she never came back. Till this day I still miss my Doberman
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:57 am

What a great idea...Did you ever get the collar back??? :) :) :D
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: japar On: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:22 pm

No I never got the collar back and to think of it I never turned off the power after all these years no wonder my electric seems to be kinda high. Funny thing my son said one day he thinks he saw his mother fly by the house like a bat outa hell
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: e.alleg On: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:41 pm

I installed one for my 2 dogs, a black lab and a husky/spaniel mix to keep them out of the road. The lab doesn't go anywhere anyway so training him was easy. The Husky likes to chase wildlife/people/hallucinations so he was harder to train. The fence works, the dog ran through it a few times but he learned his lesson. The lesson is the shock is uncomfortable, it is completely harmless but very uncomfortable. (I tried it) He learned that It is just as uncomfortable to come back home where it's warm and dry as it was to run away to the cold wet woods. After a while both dogs gave up on testing it and they stay in the yard. Even with dead batteries in the collar they go to the invisible fence line and bark but they don't ever go into the road. You have to follow the training directions, it takes a few weeks but if you don't do it then you'll be worrying about your lost dog and then doing the training.

edit: Before I installed the invisible fence I had a remote control shock collar. That worked only when the dog could see me, when I was gone he was gone. I used the Petsafe fence from Walmart, no problems. The training remote was also Petsafe. I left the flags up for a year which really helped the dogs know the boundary. Another thing is Petsafe has excellent customer service, the best I have ever witnessed from a company. I dropped the remote out of my pocket and ran it over with the brushhog, I called and asked where I could get a replacement and they sent me one free.
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Re: Invisible Fence

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:24 am

Funny thing my son said one day he thinks he saw his mother fly by the house like a bat outa hell


Was she still wearing the collar?
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