Cheney Indicted-It's Started!

I wouldn't hold my breath Devil as far as this goes, hardly convincing when the prosecutor doesn't show up for the hearing.

Devil505 wrote:Article II section 2 says this:

"he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

Nothing in there to stop him from pardoning himself or his "Gang Members"

I'm not buying it. Sure he can pardon his "gang members", as you put it, but if he were to grant pardon to himself (assuming such a thing is possible) it would necessarily be for an impeachable offense. All the congress would have to do it impeach him, even after his term expires so long as the ball is started rolling while he's still in, and the self-pardon would be nulled. Also, if he managed to grant himself a pardon for some offense, all it would do is stir up the hornets nest in the the congress and they'd go full steam ahead on finding something else to impeach and perhaps push for criminal prosecution on. It would be a very bad move politically and self-preservationally (if you assume he's done something criminal or impeachable, which I do not believe).

I suggest we leave that up to a duly constituted jury then....You know...Where people who aren't above the law end up!

If it gets there. Hearing more about the AG that brought the case. Apparently lost his reelection bid and is on his way out. May have gotten an indictment on something that won't pass muster with the judge or that his successor won't agree to continue to prosecute, at least with Cheney and/or Gonzalez as named defendants.

pvolcko wrote:I'm not buying it. Sure he can pardon his "gang members", as you put it, but if he were to grant pardon to himself (assuming such a thing is possible) it would necessarily be for an impeachable offense. All the congress would have to do it impeach him, even after his term expires so long as the ball is started rolling while he's still in, and the self-pardon would be nulled.

Not sure what your point is here Paul. Impeachment is a purely a civil & political remedy available to Congress to get rid of a bad President. Congress can impeach for anything they consider a "High crime or misdemeanor."......no actual "crimes" need to be involved. A Presidential pardon is strictly for crimes & overrides the government's ability to prosecute or punish someone for any "CRIMES" against the United States.

It's too late to get rid of Bush anyway since he leaves 1/20/2009. (Rep. Kucinich has already a bill of impeachment in The House anyway.

pvolcko wrote:If it gets there. Hearing more about the AG that brought the case. Apparently lost his reelection bid and is on his way out. May have gotten an indictment on something that won't pass muster with the judge or that his successor won't agree to continue to prosecute, at least with Cheney and/or Gonzalez as named defendants.

The article I posted above shows the judge is proceeding with the charges. The government can always decline to or stop prosecution in any case that they feel is weak or not worth bring, but my point in posting this thread was merely to point out that I believe these guys have committed so many crimes that they will eventually be charged & convicted of a serious crime.

coalmeister wrote:

Devil505 wrote: I predict the first ex Pres & ex-VP to be sentenced to prison!

Wanna bet a bag of coal on this one too? How about a ton?

Dick, did you accept coalmeister wager cuz I'd like to get in on the action with this prediction (going down)? I could use more coal, feels like its going to be a cold winter.

BTW yesterday I paid $1.87 gal. for reg. gasoline in Providence RI.
Hey coalmeister when is Dick suppose to pay up?

"BTW yesterday I paid $1.87 gal. for reg. gasoline in Providence RI.
Hey coalmeister when is Dick suppose to pay up? "

I think I have to wait until Christmas. So I am getting coal for Christmas, hope the joke is not on me...
I should have held out for a ton.

Here is another look at "Jailbird Bush" that many forgot. A good read, to the end.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29572

coalmeister wrote:I think I have to wait until Christmas.

Yup...That was the bet, by X-mass. (I hope you win because I'll save more with one full tank of gas then the coal will cost me!)

BUT........I still have full faith in the greed & resourcefulness of the oil company CEO's. (They haven't squeezed the last dime out of our pockets yet!)

Man....Are they gonna miss not owning that white oil company corporate headquarters at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington!

Soon to be former District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra who indicted VP Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales also got indictments against the judges and special prosecutors who played a role in the investigation of himself. This DA is

Prosecutor who had Cheney indicted yells at judge

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_ ... y_indicted

Texas judge dismisses Cheney, Gonzales charges

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 14FPHH.DTL