Cheney Indicted-It's Started!

VP Dick Cheney & former Atty General Gonzales have been criminally indicted in Texas. I hate to say I told you so but............................I TOLD YOU SO!!

Cheney, Gonzalez Indicted in Texas Prison Case
The indictment accuses Vice President Dick Cheney of a conflict of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees by working through prison companies.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11 ... -indicted/




This country has been run by a gang of criminals for the last 8 years & many of them will eventually end up in prison. They may beat these charges but there will be plenty more coming down the pike, including charges against Bush too. I predict the first ex Pres & ex-VP to be sentenced to prison!

Devil ~ Think about oiled teflon suits,they wear'em and we don't.

Don't get too excited. As a former fed, you should know that you can indict a ham sandwich in this country.

[quote="Devil505"]VP Dick Cheney & former Atty General Gonzales have been criminally indicted in Texas. I hate to say I told you so but............................I TOLD YOU SO!!

Unfortunately, according to an AP report the indictments have not been signed by the judge and nothing can happen until then.

The pretext for Cheney's indictment is that he holds stock in Vanguard mutual funds which holds stock in Corrections Corporation of America.

While I think that Cheney needs to be indicted on charges for what he did as VP, these charges are really a non-starter by a District Attorney on his way out of office after loosing his re-election bid.

On the other hand, if he was to be found guilty on these minor charges it would open him up for a presidential pardon for everything he as done and, once the pardon has been issued there can be no charges for anything he has done because double jeopardy is attached.

Devil505 wrote: I predict the first ex Pres & ex-VP to be sentenced to prison!

Wanna bet a bag of coal on this one too? How about a ton?

beemerboy wrote:On the other hand, if he was to be found guilty on these minor charges it would open him up for a presidential pardon for everything he as done and, once the pardon has been issued there can be no charges for anything he has done because double jeopardy is attached.

That's why they should either ban Presidential pardons outright (amendment) or require a 2/3 Senate vote to approve any pardons. As it is now, Bush could pardon himself & Cheney for anything they may do & then go out & rob a bank!

I'm not saying these particular charges will stick, but what I am saying is......the flood gates are opening on criminal charges against these clowns. (I just hope they'll stock up on the cigarettes that their "Boyfriends" in prison will demand from them )

I'm pretty sure Presidents can not pardon themselves. No logic to it at all, even by the legal system's standards. If you know otherwise I'd be interested in a source. Not being a wise-ass here, genuinely interested.

I've read the story and I'm not sure I understand how Cheney was tangled up in this thing. Seems like a twice removed stock ownership, probably held in blind trust. Don't imagine that will hold up in the slightest. Gonzalez seemed to have a more direct connection to it, but there too it seemed thin. Will be interested to read more as things develop.

However, claiming that this is some kind of first salvo in the indictments of BushCo seems pretty ridiculous. Of all the complaints and supposedly indictment worthy and/or impeachment worthy things that people have thrown around these last 8 years, the goings on at a prison in Texas were not even on the radar. You can claim it as some sort of victory over the evil Bush henchmen if you want, but seems a long way off from what you, Devil, and others have been hoping and pleading for.

pvolcko wrote:I'm pretty sure Presidents can not pardon themselves. No logic to it at all, even by the legal system's standards. If you know otherwise I'd be interested in a source. Not being a wise-ass here, genuinely interested.

Article II section 2 says this:

"he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

Nothing in there to stop him from pardoning himself or his "Gang Members"

pvolcko wrote:I've read the story and I'm not sure I understand how Cheney was tangled up in this thing. Seems like a twice removed stock ownership, probably held in blind trust. Don't imagine that will hold up in the slightest. Gonzalez seemed to have a more direct connection to it, but there too it seemed thin. Will be interested to read more as things develop.

I suggest we leave that up to a duly constituted jury then....You know...Where people who aren't above the law end up!

pvolcko wrote:However, claiming that this is some kind of first salvo in the indictments of BushCo seems pretty ridiculous.

Well....To many people the idea of heating you house with coal seems pretty ridiculous too!

Is this really important? They are what they are......

Paulie wrote:Is this really important? They are what they are......

I guess you're right...The fact that this country has been run into the ground by a criminal gang, headed by Bush & Cheney is really unimportant. It's not like who's going to win on "American Idol" or anything!

Well, I am looking forward to the legal bills. And really, that is all we will get. No one will do time, pay fines, or be limited
in anyway. You might drain down some of there wealth......that would be a kick in the nuts to them. But the Gov, will spend
more to litigate. Personally, if they(administration) had been truly evil instead of incompetent, congress would have gone
for it. They did not. The republicans have been fired, it is time to move on.

Paulie wrote:They did not. The republicans have been fired, it is time to move on.

Nah Paulie.......We didn't just fire Al Capone & then move on.....I want my pound of flesh!

From what I'm reading looks to be politically motivated as the prosecutor himself was under indictment and the other people charged in this were part of that litigation. The NYT article doesn't exactly show the DA in great light:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/us/20 ... tml?ref=us

The longtime district attorney in Willacy County, Tex., is not retiring from public office quietly after a defeat at the polls this year. Instead he has issued a flurry of indictments against his local political enemies, and then for good measure filed charges against Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales.

Mr. Cheney was charged with “engaging in an organized criminal activity” in connection with the 2001 beating death of an inmate by two fellow inmates at one of the privately run federal detention centers in the county, which is near the Mexican border, court officials said.

Give me a break. From that article the guy sounds like hes nuts, he didn't even show up for hearing.


Edit: Here's another one:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD94ICMDG1

After Guerra's office was raided as part of the investigation early last year, he camped outside the courthouse in a borrowed camper with a horse, three goats and a rooster. He threatened to dismiss hundreds of cases because he believed local law enforcement had aided the investigation against him.

stovepipemike wrote:Devil ~ Think about oiled teflon suits,they wear'em and we don't.

Ya, look at NY's ex-governor. He's going to skip and got some nice money to start a new business to boot!

Cheney's indictment in south Texas moves forward

By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer Christopher Sherman, Associated Press Writer – Wed Nov 19, 6:51 pm ET


RAYMONDVILLE, Texas – A Texas judge has set an arraignment for Vice President Dick Cheney, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other officials accused of involvement in prisoner abuse.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_ ... y_indicted


Maybe he'll plead "Nolo Contender" like another criminal VP (Spiro Agnew) from another criminal administration (Nixon) did??

(I can't wait to get my hands on these guys! )