Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:38 pm

Been running for 3 days, learning a lot that this is an art, just shaked after running pretty hard with pea for 13 hrs, dead spot all the way thru to grates for 40% on the left, I'm matchlighting the dead spots over the ash with a light layer of coal in between, should I dump or try to save? Your elder experiences please. Thanks
Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:39 pm

With plenty of air and patience it should come back to life.
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:42 pm

Gently fish around through the loading door where the dead spot is, odds are you have a big clinker in there that is blocking the air. Leave the side that is burning well alone.
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: grizzly2 On: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:55 pm

Last year burning nut coal I had the problem of dead spots rarely. This year burning pea, I have this problem frequently. The front corners are a particular problem this year. I have been able to get the burn back by raking the grate from underneath with an 'L' shaped bent rod. I can see that pea is real sensitive to not getting enough air flowing through it. Last year I just burned hotter until the fire spread, which it eventually did. So far have not had to start over for any reason. Can your stove burn nut? If so you may want to try it the next time you buy coal. Good luck. :)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 30 - 95
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:00 am

The baby is back, took 3 hrs, fooled around with the controls, nothing was happening, just a lot of black NUT coal with red underneath. Said to myself, walk away, let this thing work itself. Came back 1/2 hr later greeted by some early warmth and the blue ladies, waited another 1/2 and banked. As devil505 sez, PATIENCE. There is a science to this but it's a real fine science like an art. wow. Its getting a little easier after doing this 4 days, though I know I'z still a newbie.

Thanks for suggestions
Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: medtech On: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:51 am

I poke the coal from the top to collapse any pockets of ash. You'd be amazed how much the coal settles with a little bit of poking. Then I shake until a few pieces of red coal fall into the pan, not just tiny glowing embers but small pieces of coal. Then pull the hot coal forward, fill up the rear to the top of the bricks and walk away. I've done this the past 2 days and everything is going strong. We'll see in a few more days how this method works but so far it's the quickest and easiest I've tried.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: gitrdonecoal On: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:31 am

hey uglysquirrl. can your stove burn stove coal? i had some of the same problems with my furnace, and someone suggested burning stove coal. it a bit bigger than nut, and i actually burn it both. i shake it down good and load a layer of stove and then a layer of nut. seems like air gets up better. buy a bag or two and give it a try
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:58 am

From another topic:

What I almost always find in that situation Smitty is the dark side will be below a bridge & air pocket above the grates. If I continue shaking down I might get embers from the dark area eventually but will pack the good side to tightly from over shaking. Instead, I'll poke into it (dark area ) from above, the coal bed will often sink like a fallen cake, into that air pocket. I then will give it 1 or 2 gentle shakes & fill up the air pocket with fresh coal. (as long as you keep a lively fire going on the good side you wont have any problems with this)
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: captcaper On: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:26 pm

Pea is tuff to burn as it packs so well. Why pea? I've always used nut. Maybe I should try some Pea to see what it does but I can't find any at my local dealers. Maybe top of the bank to slow the burn down during warmer nights and days.
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Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:29 pm

Still going on the first fire, I'm beginnin to poke more after the fire is freshened up and be'fore shake. You can see the good areas during freshening where the blue ladies dance, still learning how to distribute the coal back to front after shaking, always try to get the full length of the grate to show a glow. I'm always trying to keep an area open that shows existing fire but many times the reload ends up being black for an hour or so, then a couple blue ladies show up. If I really open the damper when it's all black, the recovery seems a lot faster though I don't want to walk away. Sometimes I want to dump it but I keep on going, it seems to want to come back. This burning is a responsibility, like a 2nd wife that sorta has turned into a grouch cause you married her toooooo early in the courtship ifya know what I mean. But I've learned a lot in a week and a lot more to come. No stove coal, my 1st wife would kill if I bought more coal after buying a whole lot and then the oil goes down to 2.29. Oh well.... once the depression hits we'll be in style doing coal. Any more info on loading styles and air control is cool.
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Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Dead spots, dump or bring this baby back ?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:38 pm

Are you poking up through the holes in the grates with a bent wire inserted through the ash door? That's the easiest way to open the airflow up. Also when the fire burns to low the draft starts to drop off fast, letting the fire get too low will surely kill it. If you have a masonry exterior chimney on a cold day it's worse.
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