Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:44 am

This really happened,, and it WILL happen to us.. IF we allow 'gun control' to go beyond what we have now.. We have enough laws in the books.. lets emphasize to our lawmakers that more laws are not needed, just enforcement of the current laws..

Greg L

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't
Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hunger ford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland, Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later,
sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.

Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA, THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:12 pm

Thank you for posting that Greg. We have a local AM radio talk show host who frequently references the insane laws in Great Britain where personal assaults and home invasions have skyrocketed in their wake. If we aren't careful it could happen here. Then instead of calling the police, you just dig a hole.

Richard, I don't know how you do it but after I posted this, the top banner ad was for firearms training. It appears there is some smart software here that takes the topic and matches a banner ad to it?
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:19 pm

The founding fathers put the 2nd amendment in the constitution so that the people would have the power to overthrow the government if necessary, not so we can fight off burglars (or hunt or whatever).

That said, the UK has a murder rate that's only 25% of the murder rat in the US.The power to overthrow the government comes at a price.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: kootch88 On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:29 pm

I think we should adopt the Somali gun lws, then we could really have a blast!! We could even have regular standing militias just in case we opposed the government's stance on anything.

Here is some intreresting stats on murder stats in general, not just by firearms.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... per-capita

And one more study from 1994 - obviously biased against guns!!

Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: Machinist On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:43 pm

What is worse? A government that tyrannizes it's citizens or the ability to protect one's self?
I am not suggesting that our current government or our newly elected government is or will tyrannize any citizens of the US. The 2nd amendment is, in my opinion, an important part of the checks and balances.

Please join the NRA and/or Gun Owners of America to support our rights!
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: kootch88 On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:46 pm

quote]What is worse? A government that tyrannizes it's citizens or the ability to protect one's self?
I am not suggesting that our current government or our newly elected government is or will tyrannize any citizens of the US. The 2nd amendment is, in my opinion, an important part of the checks and balances.

Please join the NRA and/or Gun Owners of America to support our rights![/quote]

I do not see our government even close to terrorizing us, but maybe I am missing something. I still think it would be a blast to wipe out all the folks who support evolution, freedom of choice and even affirmative action, don't you? That is why I am advocating Somali style gun laws. Are there any laws there?
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:01 pm

I still think it would be a blast to wipe out all the folks who support evolution, freedom of choice and even affirmative action, don't you?

No, I don't. I do beleive however, that you have the right to defend yourself from anyone at anytime.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: Machinist On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:09 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:
I still think it would be a blast to wipe out all the folks who support evolution, freedom of choice and even affirmative action, don't you?

No, I don't. I do beleive however, that you have the right to defend yourself from anyone at anytime.


I don't think it would be a blast to wipe anyone out. Best to vote and contact our elected ones to protect our constitution and bill of rights.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: kootch88 On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:12 pm

No, I don't. I do beleive however, that you have the right to defend yourself from anyone at anytime.


I agree with you. And I would like to take preventive action against some folks I disagree with too, just like we did in Iraq. I think the precedent fits my needs perfectly.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: BeerMonley On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:33 pm

seems to me the better thing to do is make sure any and everyone who breaks in or threathens me or my wife stops living, then its my word agaist two dead theives
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: Machinist On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:48 pm

BeerMonley wrote:seems to me the better thing to do is make sure any and everyone who breaks in or threathens me or my wife stops living, then its my word agaist two dead theives


I believe this is against the law in the UK. Thus we need to make sure our elected ones do not make laws that prevent protecting ones self. Here in Pennsylvania it is currently against the law to protect ones self by using deadly force if the threatened person is able to retreat. Some other states have "stand your ground" laws that allow using deadly force against deadly force.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: BeerMonley On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:50 pm

i had no idea about the PA law. is there a place i cna find thes?
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:54 pm

I've never heard of a homeowner shooing a burglar in his home & being convicted of a crime. I've heard of homeowners shooting a fleeing burglar in the yard, but that's a different story. (If the thief is trying to escape & you shoot him in the back while he's running away, while understandable, it certainly is no longer self defense...Do what any upstanding citizen would do........Drag his lifeless body into your house (after he has bled out ...so you don't stain the rug......) & THEN call the cops!! (if the police ask you why there's no blood near the body, you claim you shot at a Vampire too......but that it got away!!)
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: Machinist On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:10 pm

Devil505 wrote:I've never heard of a homeowner shooing a burglar in his home & being convicted of a crime.


In North Whales, Pennsylvania a few years back a drunk neighbor broke into what he thought was his own home. The homes all looked similar. The owner of the home, an ex marine, shot and killed the man. The home owner was convicted and sent to jail.
I believe this and one other similar incident is holding up "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" laws in PA.
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Re: Fight 'gun control' this really happened!

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:27 pm

I have never had anyone break in to my home and hope I never do. After the dog gets them I'll have my turn. I really don't want to shoot anyone but, I'll do what I have to do to protect my loved ones.
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