Obama and gun control

Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:50 pm

Is Obama gonna try to take our guns away?...Of course!! (If you listen to the NRA)

I never bought into that "Camel's nose in the tent"..NRA bullshit. (NRA--Make sure you run out & buy more guns & ammo because......... they are coming after them!!...yeah..yeah...that's why ...but act now...operators are standing by!!)



There are similar government plots:

The damned state of Massachusetts requires me to have working headlights, brakes & a horn!!.....Obviously it's the first step before they come to confiscate all of our SUV's!! :mad:

How about them making us get a license to get married!! :mad:
& then having to report how many wives you have & where they live for the "so called" census!! ...Yeah Right!!.....Who they kidding?!?
They're obviously planning on coming to take all of our wives!!..... (well.......on 2nd thought :gee: )...Just kidding!! :lol:...Settle down!!
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:59 pm

They don't have to take the guns, they can just make it prohibitively expensive to own one. Between the micro stamping bill which will add to the base price of ammunition, then a $.05 tax on each round and the new HR 45 that has been proposed which increases fees and penalties for gun licenses, they don't need to take them, the people will just stop buying them.

But of course, for those last few hold outs, thankfully for Obama, GWB revoked "Posse Comitatus" so now the new "NorthCom" can do things like this.

http://carrollspaper.com/main.asp?Searc ... ionID=&S=1

The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a four-day exercise at Arcadia.

The purpose of the April 2-5 drill will be to gather intelligence, then search for and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company.

Citizens, law enforcement, media and other supporters will participate.

Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer.

The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of the arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect.

Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

"Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

"One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

During this phase of the operation, troops will interact with residents and media while implementing crowd-control measures and possibly treating and evacuating injured persons.

The unit will use a Blackhawk helicopter for overhead command and control, and to simulate medevacs.

The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.

Alpha Company will conduct a review of the drill on Sunday, April 5.

A meeting to give residents more information and accept volunteers will be held 7 p.m. Monday, March 2, in the Arcadia American Legion hall.

Kots said the exercise will replace Alpha Company's weekend drill for April.

"We have a lot of extended drills this coming year," he added.

In addition to surveillance, searching and apprehension, the exercise will also give the troops valuable experience in stability, support, patrol, traffic control, vehicle searches and other skills needed for deployment in an urban environment.

"This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

The pre-drill work with residents is as important at the drill itself.

"It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," said Kots. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing."

"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:16 pm

When you can cite example after example of politicians who are influential in any major political party. When you can cite any "movement" or "advocacy group" that wields any influence in that major political party. I have yet to see any kind of serious effort to ban cars, or wives. There is example after example after example of societies and governments that banned guns, took them away from their political enemies. Then they killed them.

So when and if you decide you'd like to have a discussion based on common sense, logic, ration, and reason, then maybe I'll come out and play. Until then, this thread goes into the waste folder and I'll have no more to do with it. Waste of time trying to converse with someone who ignores the history of the country they live in and the rest of the world, simply because they want to "give the new President a chance". He's not getting a chance with my second amendment rights. Everything else might go by the wayside, and likely will. That's got going to.

I don't believe in the "Camel's nose in the tent..." either. I think, when he shoves his nose under the tent, you should slap his teeth out of his head the first time, and the only time. Make sure he knows to stay out of the tent.

It constantly amazes me how some people can blithely and ignorantly wave off others' rights, and their own, without any serious analysis of the potential for abuse, or the likelihood. Don't want a gun? Don't have one. It's simple.

Asked who I trusted in another post. I'll tell you. God and Colonel Sam Colt, everybody else keep your hands where I can see them.


Devil505 wrote:Is Obama gonna try to take our guns away?...Of course!! (If you listen to the NRA)

I never bought into that "Camel's nose in the tent"..NRA *censored*. (NRA--Make sure you run out & buy more guns & ammo because......... they are coming after them!!...yeah..yeah...that's why ...but act now...operators are standing by!!)



There are similar government plots:

The damned state of Massachusetts requires me to have working headlights, brakes & a horn!!.....Obviously it's the first step before they come to confiscate all of our SUV's!! :mad:

How about them making us get a license to get married!! :mad:
& then having to report how many wives you have & where they live for the "so called" census!! ...Yeah Right!!.....Who they kidding?!?
They're obviously planning on coming to take all of our wives!!..... (well.......on 2nd thought :gee: )...Just kidding!! :lol:...Settle down!!
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: spc On: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:21 am

Shatner & Gun Control

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:26 pm

Go Captain Kirk!!! :rofl: :rofl: Everyones fantasy of course but it does happen form time to time. Never will without the gun.

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:07 pm

I love that clip. :D
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:58 pm

Semper Fi Hurrrrrrauhhh ...

"Plantation, FL -- Last week police were called to investigate an attempted armed robbery:

The 71-year-old retired Marine who opened fire on two robbers at a Plantation, FL, Subway shop late Wednesday, killing one and critically wounding the other, is described as John Lovell, a former helicopter pilot for two presidents. He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, and he works out everyday. Mr. Lovell was a man of action Wednesday night.

According to Plantation police, two masked gunmen came into the Subway at 1949 N.. Pine Rd.. Just after 11 p.m. There was a lone diner, Mr. Lovell, who was finishing his meal.. After robbing the cashier, the two men attempted to shove Mr. Lovell into a bathroom and rob him as well. They got his money, but then Mr. Lovell pulled his handgun and opened fire. He shot one of the thieves in the head and chest and the other in the head.

When police arrived, they found one of the men in the shop, K-9 units found the other in the bushes of a nearby business.. They also found cash strewn around the front of the sandwich shop according to Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department.

Both men were taken to the Broward General Medical Center , where one, Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale is in critical but stable condition.

A longtime friend of Lovell was not surprised to hear what happened. The friend said, ''He'd give you the shirt off his back, but he'd be mad as hell if someone tried to take the shirt off your back.'' Mr. Lovell was a pilot in the Marine Corps, flying former Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. He later worked as a pilot for Pan Am and Delta.

He is not expected to be charged authorities said. ''He was in fear for his life,'' Detective Rettig said, "These criminals ought to realize that most men in their 70's have military backgrounds and aren't intimidated by idiots."

Something tells me this old Marine wasn't 'in fear for his life', even though his life was definitely at risk. The only thing he could be charged with is participating in an unfair fight. One 71- year young Marine against two punks. Two head shots and one center body mass shot - outstanding shooting! That'll teach them not to get between a Marine and his meal.

Don't you just love a story with a happy ending? Florida law allows eligible citizens to carry a concealed weapon. Every state should."
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:13 pm

That one hanging out in expensive care, should he recover, will most likely find something else to do for money once he gets back on his feet. Good shooting.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:15 pm

LeonMSPT wrote:That one hanging out in expensive care, should he recover, will most likely find something else to do for money once he gets back on his feet. Good shooting.


yes maybe even learn to make license plates?? sad thing is most of go righ back out and start over. :shock:
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:17 pm

I believe parts of Florida allow you to shoot people for even threatening you. Just a suggestion, if you are ever down there, be nice to everyone!
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:42 pm

The requirement of "reasonable force" always applies, no matter where the person who "feels threatened" happens to be. You are required by law to act "reasonably" given the facts known to you at that time. You cannot use deadly force in any jurisdiction in the country unless you feel your life, or the life of a third party, is in danger from the credible threat of death or serious bodily injury.

What you are referring to is the presumption that you have a right to be where you are, and are under no obligation to run away or attempt to retreat to protect yourself as opposed to simply defending yourself. There are still places where you are legally required to try to retreat to safety, rather than use deadly force to protect yourself. In Maine, you used to have to run from your own house. Before we passed "The Castle Doctrine" law, which recognized that a man's home is his "castle" and he is under no obligation to leave it.

That is a far cry from what you are portraying. It's dishonest and preposterous to portray it in that light.

jpete wrote:I believe parts of Florida allow you to shoot people for even threatening you. Just a suggestion, if you are ever down there, be nice to everyone!
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:49 pm

While living down there I recall the law in question. it was proposed to approve the act of drawing your weapon on someone if they were threatening. as to the shooting part one needs to be in eminent danger or protecting someone who is.

the suggestion about being nice tho sure is a good one. most nice people are packin heat too! ( it is florida after all........hot and all....) :)
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:51 pm

LeonMSPT wrote:The requirement of "reasonable force" always applies, no matter where the person who "feels threatened" happens to be. You are required by law to act "reasonably" given the facts known to you at that time. You cannot use deadly force in any jurisdiction in the country unless you feel your life, or the life of a third party, is in danger from the credible threat of death or serious bodily injury.

What you are referring to is the presumption that you have a right to be where you are, and are under no obligation to run away or attempt to retreat to protect yourself as opposed to simply defending yourself. There are still places where you are legally required to try to retreat to safety, rather than use deadly force to protect yourself. In Maine, you used to have to run from your own house. Before we passed "The Castle Doctrine" law, which recognized that a man's home is his "castle" and he is under no obligation to leave it.

That is a far cry from what you are portraying. It's dishonest and preposterous to portray it in that light.

jpete wrote:I believe parts of Florida allow you to shoot people for even threatening you. Just a suggestion, if you are ever down there, be nice to everyone!


Lighten up Francis.

Holy Christ this forum is half hair trigger whining bastards I swear.

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

* Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
* Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.


Q. What if someone uses threatening language to me so that I am afraid for my life or safety?

A. Verbal threats are not enough to justify the use of deadly force. There must be an overt act by the person which indicates that he immediately intends to carry out the threat. The person threatened must reasonably believe that he will be killed or suffer serious bodily harm if he does not immediately take the life of his adversary.


So if some threatens you, and yes, Professor Exact Details, if you feel like you are in danger of serious bodily harm, you can shoot to kill. Anywhere in or outside your house.

It was an off hand, half joking comment for Christ's sake. Take a Valium or something.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:48 pm

How far back are you going when you had to flee your house in Maine? I have lived here my entire life and I don't remember it. We would have ignored it anyway.

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:29 pm

Back in the 1970's factwise... unsure of specific date. I do know the law has been amended. The duty to retreat is not specifically removed, but you are not required by law to retreat.

I know what "we" would do... :)

KLook wrote:How far back are you going when you had to flee your house in Maine? I have lived here my entire life and I don't remember it. We would have ignored it anyway.

Kevin
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