Obama and gun control

Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:33 pm

It's highly likely that the theater had signs posted stating that it was illegal to carry firearms inside.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:50 pm

Then again maybe it didn't. The thing is there is no need for high volume clips for hunting anything except human prey. There was a law against them & some ammo but the NRA made short work of that. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the second amendment which has a part about a well regulated militia, not every Tom, Dick & Harry can buy arms because it's their right. Those in the movie theater also had first amendment rights which that A-hole took away from them. If you learn how to aim & fire a weapon correctly there is no need for high volume clips & rapid firing weapons.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:02 pm

samhill wrote:Then again maybe it didn't. The thing is there is no need for high volume clips for hunting anything except human prey. There was a law against them & some ammo but the NRA made short work of that. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the second amendment which has a part about a well regulated militia, not every Tom, Dick & Harry can buy arms because it's their right. Those in the movie theater also had first amendment rights which that A-hole took away from them. If you learn how to aim & fire a weapon correctly there is no need for high volume clips & rapid firing weapons.


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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:05 pm

The 2A has nothing to do with hunting.

I'm sure as long as we hitch a ride on the government provided cattle cars, for our "safety" mind you, everything will be OK.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:14 pm

What freedom? Where does it say you have the right to own anything but a flintlock, they never even mentioned a cannon, guess that was considered artillery which would be great for hunting or shooting trap.
Jpete just because it isn't spelled out doesn't mean it wasn't meant for hunting along with protection (no harm intended with this Fred) but if you recall not all Indians were super friendly & there were bears everywhere that S*** in the woods that were pretty much everywhere. Protection of the country & self with a little meat on the table, that's the reason to have arms. Then again they said nothing about a helicopter gunship, maybe I should look into that. 8-)
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:21 pm

The reference to militia implies a military weapon.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:27 pm

homecomfort wrote:doesn't look like any of the 290 million or so hand guns all you "heroes" carry , did any of the latest victims "again" in Colorado any good. Louie Gohmert said some card carrying hero should have stood up and started firing back at the domestic terrorist, who was wearing body armor and in a dark theater.

Louie Gohmert is a cousin of Gomer Pyle.

Picture these 5 citizens:

A, B, C, and D are fine upstanding people carrying their licensed concealed weapons.

E (for Evil) is not a fine upstanding person but bought a few semi-automatics anyway because even though he is only marginally sane that doesn't disqualify him from legal weapons purchases.

E, one sunny afternoon, starts offing grandmas and their grandkids in a WalMart parking lot.

A hears the gunfire, sees what is happening, pulls his gun and shoots at E but misses.

B is at WalMart with his young family. His wife, with natural motherly instincts, grabs the handles of the stroller and says, "Come on! Take the children's hands, and let’s go toward the gunfire and the screaming!" Like Hell she does! B and she and the little ones scooch down and make tracks in the other direction.

C, not burdened with an overprotective wife, runs toward the screaming. He sees E duck behind a pickup truck, sees A fire again and kill Spartacus, a black Lab sitting in the bed of the pickup. C is a dog lover, and he naturally assumes that A is the bad guy who is attacking E and has just killed man’s best friend. So C lets fly with three shots. Two hit members of Miss Smith’s kindergarten class. One wings A and knocks him down. A, realizing now that there are TWO bad guys, gets behind a concrete light base and takes another shot at E.

Finally D arrives – it’s about time! – comes up behind E who he thinks is under attack by gang members A and C. “I’ve got your back!”, he shouts to E, who immediately turns and put a bullet in D’s stomach. D goes down, but still has his gun. He thinks E shot him by mistake, assuming he was part of the gang, so he continues to shoot at A and C.

Far-fetched? I don't think so.

Now a couple of police cruisers roll in. They see a few grandmothers down, a few grandchildren down, Mrs. Smith doing something (what?!) to some bleeding kindergarteners, and four all-American males apparently shooting randomly at one another. Gang war? Blow ‘em all away, and ask questions later? Or what?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:31 pm

You are perfectly free to construct any scenario you wish. That's what the nut job did.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:34 pm

up here where i live it can takeup to an hour for help (police) to arrive , especially in the middle of the nite. bet ur butt i am armed and will not hesitate to use it and so are the rest of my neighbors
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he closest a half mile away... thank you founding fathers for my 2nd. ammendment
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:45 pm

samhill wrote:What freedom? Where does it say you have the right to own anything but a flintlock, they never even mentioned a cannon, guess that was considered artillery which would be great for hunting or shooting trap.


Where did they specify the type of weapon to be borne seeing as you want to get down to a gnats ass.

The 2A is to protect yourself from indians, bears or an overbearing government.

Whatever is necessary to do that job is what everyone should have.

Because first and foremost, you have a right to LIFE. Without that, nothing else really matters much.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:04 pm

That was my point Jpete, they didn't have but a few types of similar weapons, if you want to interpret what they meant you have to think in their time instead of what you want it to mean.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:27 pm

samhill wrote:That was my point Jpete, they didn't have but a few types of similar weapons, if you want to interpret what they meant you have to think in their time instead of what you want it to mean.


So flintlock and cannon are all we are allowed to have?

The NRA is going to be surprised.

How does that protect us from a dictator?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:35 pm

There you go again Jpete, they could only consider what they knew of is what I'm saying, that's all nothing sinister about it, if you believe it gives you the right to own a nuke because some nut job in another country has one & may come after you for some odd reason go ahead & see how far you get.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:41 pm

samhill wrote:There you go again Jpete, they could only consider what they knew of is what I'm saying, that's all nothing sinister about it, if you believe it gives you the right to own a nuke because some nut job in another country has one & may come after you for some odd reason go ahead & see how far you get.


What they "knew of" was that all governments are at best a necessary evil and that there were going to be times when force was necessary.

Declaration of Independence wrote:Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


How do you suggest we "provide new Guards" with smooth bore muskets vs. Predator drones?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:48 pm

Jpete :

Drone hunting we need - "A phased plasma rifle in 40 watt range"
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