Obama and gun control

Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:12 pm

Yep; you must be right again Jpete, what did you do use invisible ink, I checked my copy & I'm sure beyond a doubt that all those guys that signed are dead & gone but yet you know exactly what they meant.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:16 pm

samhill wrote:Yep; you must be right again Jpete, what did you do use invisible ink, I checked my copy & I'm sure beyond a doubt that all those guys that signed are dead & gone but yet you know exactly what they meant.


I got a lot of time on my hands to read. :nana:

What do you reckon the revolution was all about?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: cokehead On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:14 pm

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:48 pm

Treaties require only the ratification of the US Senate. The upcoming UN vote on firearms will almost certainly be rammed through the US Senate while it is still dominated by the Democrats. If I'm not mistaken, treaties ratified by the Senate supersede the Constitution. The Second Amendment is seriously under attack here. The very least to come of this will be global gun registration. Also the mandatory destruction of any firearms deemed by the treaty to be "unauthorized".
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:56 pm

I think your wrong on that point, no treaty trumps the Constitution, pretty sure that fight has already been fought.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:58 pm

samhill wrote:I think your wrong on that point, no treaty trumps the Constitution, pretty sure that fight has already been fought.


Then why bother with the treaty at all? Why waste taxpayer money on it (we easily waste far more on holding up the UN than the purported $50 million that the Republicans are being bashed for in their effort to overturn Obamacare)?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:06 pm

I didn't even know there was going to be a attempt for such a treaty, but if there is it will be voted one time with a result. Congress has tried over 30 times & still gets the result that they don't want to accept, if nothing changes then why keep trying & spending? If after the elections & there is a change then that's another story. Even better yet why not put it on the ballot & allow voters to decide since they are the ones that are affected?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:10 pm

samhill wrote:I didn't even know there was going to be a attempt for such a treaty, but if there is it will be voted one time with a result. Congress has tried over 30 times & still gets the result that they don't want to accept, if nothing changes then why keep trying & spending? If after the elections & there is a change then that's another story. Even better yet why not put it on the ballot & allow voters to decide since they are the ones that are affected?


This UN firearms vote may come as early as within about one month. My understanding is that they are currently bickering over finalizing what is to be considered "unauthorized". Perhaps this is intended to disarm all of the peace lovers in the middle east? Nah!

I quote Rand Paul (from an email he sent out to supporters today): "This UN Gun Ban would almost certainly FORCE the United States to participate in an international gun registry and could require the confiscation and destruction of ALL "unauthorized" civilian firearms in America."

Clearly Rand Paul is taking this quite seriously. If it didn't supersede the Constitution, why should he even be in the least concerned?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:45 pm

Apparently this imminent vote against small arms on the floor of the UN has been in the planning sages for some time now:
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:56 pm

Dick Morris' take on this from back in May:

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:59 pm

More from Dick Morris (this guy was once aligned with the Democratic Party). His latest update:

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:43 pm

I don't have a TV, or get a newspaper. I'm surprised that I've come across this apparently quite critical and serious UN vote on guns, and the rest of you seem to have not heard of it.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:06 pm

I'm guessing either membership is slipping again or arms sales are slacking off, this has been out before it could just be the NRAs before election scare, in any event it's old news & has nothing to do with our rights. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/05 ... -fo/186956
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:25 pm

We should all just ignore it then! I'm sure that Dick Morris (the man who as Bill Clinton's campaign manager got Bill Clinton elected) and Rand Paul are just wackos from both the left and the right who are both insane and totally clueless.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:27 pm

well according to stats.. citizens in this country out number all the US armed forces combined. even if only half of citizens have arms, don't think armed forces would fare to well. Plus.. how many will go and fight thier own kin folks because a few in a fancy office said its right, and will make this country better? Seems that happened once already... and there was no gain for anyone just great loss and carnage.
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