Obama and gun control

Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:56 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:I'll take care of my own safety. There are already more then enough laws to get dangerous gun users off the streets.


Can you defend yourself against a missile attack from China?.......
A tank assault from North Korea?


Like it or not, we need to band together to protect ourselves collectively against many threats that we, alone, cannot handle.
Government has a legitimate & important role in protecting it's citizens, & President Elect Obama is merely floating some possible additions to our collective safety.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:05 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Can you defend yourself against a missile attack from China?.......
A tank assault from North Korea?


You are way off track again. What in the hell does owning a gun have to do with that?

Like it or not, we need to band together to protect ourselves collectively against many threats that we, alone, cannot handle.
Government has a legitimate & important role in protecting it's citizens, & President Elect Obama is merely floating some possible additions to our collective safety.


I'll protect me.......................he can protect you and the other "citizens".
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:31 pm

Devil505 wrote:
SuperBeetle wrote:I'll take care of my own safety. There are already more then enough laws to get dangerous gun users off the streets.


Can you defend yourself against a missile attack from China?.......
A tank assault from North Korea?


Like it or not, we need to band together to protect ourselves collectively against many threats that we, alone, cannot handle.
Government has a legitimate & important role in protecting it's citizens, & President Elect Obama is merely floating some possible additions to our collective safety.


Limiting our means of protecting ourselves makes us "safer"?

That's pretty Orwellian......
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:37 pm

I'm not a student of gun law but you have to realize that the Heller case was as controversial on the conservative side of jurisprudential thought as Roe v. Wade was on the liberal side. And it's a very restricted holding by a very conservative Court. So I don't expect it to be expanded very far. So far, it holds that you can't be prohibited from having a gun in your home.

The comment about Marx and Engels is silly. Neither was alive when our founding fathers defined our system. And, frankly, I expect my President to have professorial grasp of every significant socio-political model and to draw from any which can help us prosper within the confines of our Constitution. That's exactly what's supposed to happen. To the extent that he tries to do things that people think are beyond Constitutional limits, the Supreme Court (with 7 of 9 Republican appointees) will rule. That's the genius of our system.

Besides, the facts are that modern socialist countries have become more capitalistic and capitalist countries have become more socialistic. And by far the most dramatic example of that here wasn't brought to you by the "left" but rather by your very own "free market" hero, George W. Bush, who saw his "laissez-faire" system collapsing before his very eyes and took a BIG gulp of the Marxist Kool-Aid. That's where we are, boyz.

So the old "left-right", "commie-capitalist," "Marxist-libertarian" labels just don't cut it anymore. We're actually going to have to use our brains, fellas. 8-)
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:47 pm

As usual the good people, suggesting new forms of firearms & ammo restrictions, do not have great depth of knowledge on this subject.
Why does a rifle with a bayonet lug make it more dangerous than one without?

Proposed serial # on ammo. I cant wait to see the serial numbers on #9 bird shot ( about 600 pellets in every 12ga. shotgun shell).
This law will suceeed in black markets and smuggling. The amount of ammunition in private hands, in the USA is overwhelming.

Enforce the firearm & ammo LAWS that we have on the books.

Do not penalize the 98.5% of law abiding citezens with restictions ment for law breakers.

RS
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:51 pm

PC 12-47E wrote:As usual the good people, suggesting new forms of firearms & ammo restrictions, do not have great depth of knowledge on this subject.
Why does a rifle with a bayonet lug make it more dangerous than one without?



Bring it here <removed link to FSC> & we can debate. Richard will end up locking this thread if we don't get back on topic.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:55 pm

Devil505 wrote:
PC 12-47E wrote:As usual the good people, suggesting new forms of firearms & ammo restrictions, do not have great depth of knowledge on this subject.
Why does a rifle with a bayonet lug make it more dangerous than one without?



Bring it here<removed link to FSC> & we can debate. Richard will end up locking this thread if we don't get back on topic.


Devil The topic is obama and gun control.

RS
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:59 pm

PC 12-47E wrote:Devil The topic is obama and gun control


Sorry if I misread but I've been made quite aware of remaining on topic, & it seems to be wandering off into a general gun control thread. ;)
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:05 pm

I Iive in a rural area. By the time cops arrive if I called them, all they could do is take a report and bag the loser. Virtually everyone in rural counties here is armed for that reason. We are a short 45 minute drive from Baltimore. Home invasions are on the rise. I qualified expert with M14, M16 and .45 pistol. I don't intend to just survive, I intend to prevail. Someone who makes the mistake of breaking into our home is going to have a very bad day. Firearm sales have gone through the roof since Obama won. Personally I haven't bought any guns but have
acquired "some extra" ammo. I don't fear anything anti-second ammendment from Obama. It's those lunatics Pelosi and Reid I'm concerned about.

stockingfull wrote:So the old "left-right", "commie-capitalist," "Marxist-libertarian" labels just don't cut it anymore. We're actually going to have to use our brains, fellas.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:40 pm

coalkirk wrote:I don't fear anything anti-second ammendment from Obama. It's those lunatics Pelosi and Reid I'm concerned about.


Nobody...Obama... Pelosi ... or Reid is going to take guns away from any lawful owners.
(but the NRA hysteria has sure helped the gun industry's sales though! ....That's their job as the gun industry's lobby)
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:06 pm

Devil505 wrote:
coalkirk wrote:I don't fear anything anti-second ammendment from Obama. It's those lunatics Pelosi and Reid I'm concerned about.


Nobody...Obama... Pelosi ... or Reid is going to take guns away from any lawful owners.
(but the NRA hysteria has sure helped the gun industry's sales though! ....That's their job as the gun industry's lobby)


I told you already, they don't have to take them away. They introduce a tax and then slowly tighten the noose.

Ask the smokers how that works. 50% of the price of cigarettes in RI is taxes. Nearly $3 per pack.

They didn't ban cigarettes, but I bet a lot of smokers quit because of the excessive taxes.

All these people saying "Never happen" seem to forget it already is.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:16 pm

I qualified expert with M14, M16 and .45 pistol. I don't intend to just survive, I intend to prevail. Someone who makes the mistake of breaking into our home is going to have a very bad day.


I knew there was something I liked about you, Terry.

Gun control means being able to hit your target.

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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:40 pm

I'll just mention this here because it does apply to Obama's new admin. too but....Are you guys really saying that government has no business trying to regulate guns in this country? None??....Really????
(I really think we should move most of this to the more generic gun control thread here <removed link to FSC>)

Edit: & just for Paul.. :lol: ........Would it be ok for us all to walk around Times Square on New Years Eve armed with flame throwers & fully automatic weapons?...How about grenades?

No limits whatsoever?
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:44 pm

Are you guys really saying that government has no business trying to regulate guns in this country?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Ame ... nstitution

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Re: Obama and gun control

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:47 pm

Devil505 wrote:I'll just mention this here because it does apply to Obama's new admin. too but....Are you guys really saying that government has no business trying to regulate guns in this country? None??....Really????
(I really think we should move most of this to the more generic gun control thread here<removed link to FSC>)


Wow! Look who finally caught up!

Yes, that's what we are saying.

The "limit" already exists. If you deprive someone of their "life, liberty or pursuit of Happyness" while using a gun, or any other weapon, or a car, or your bare hands then you should go to jail. That's the limit. What else do you need?
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