Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: steveyrock On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:13 am

I think this country is that screwed up that it can't be fixed with out some real suffering and sacrifice by the taxpayers,workers, buisness. Will the amercan people really be able to stomach what it's going to take to get this mess straightend out ? Will the government get people back to work by limiting imported goods. Lets face it the government is half to blame for the American auto woes by letting in all the imports years ago and the industry carries the other half the blame for substandard products. Money is going to control what obama does and it's source is going to pull his strings wether it be big oil or overseas investments in this country.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: leblancsp On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:32 pm

Don't forget to let the UAW share in the blame for the demise of the auto industry.......our government allowed the same influx of products from other industries such as computers, phones, and other electronics manufacturing and you don't see those industries in as bad shape. I wouldn't mind making $70/hr putting a piece of foam on a metal T and calling it a headrest.......let's hope they get their poop together.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: xackley On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:33 pm

The change that was voted for was an end to the "F$$$ you I got mine" attitude of the republican administration.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: steveyrock On: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:35 am

leblancsp wrote:Don't forget to let the UAW share in the blame for the demise of the auto industry.......our government allowed the same influx of products from other industries such as computers, phones, and other electronics manufacturing and you don't see those industries in as bad shape. I wouldn't mind making $70/hr putting a piece of foam on a metal T and calling it a headrest.......let's hope they get their poop together.



yes and those electronic products were assembled with near slave labor who don't have the lifsyle we have in this country and they never will because they can't make choices for better working conditions, wages, ect.

I bet the big three auto makers would still be in trouble even without the unions,look at what they pay their CEOs .Bonus payouts that are absurd amounts to top officials.What ever the hourly employes didn't get management would have just got even more.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Paulie On: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:03 am

You can hardly argue that things could be a lot better. Having said that, lets give the new guy a chance. The first 100
days will tell where he want to take the country. As far as the players......so what? Do you really want rookies in the
line up right now? We have a rookie coach, that is enough. United we Stand......
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:22 pm

Everybody forgets what the first 3 words of the constitution says WE THE PEOPLE not the government. The government was meant to be limited by the voice of the people. So our future presidents agenda is null and void he because was put there to represent OUR best interest not the minority's or special interest groups. If history repeats itself and it will you'll see another great depression which was caused by the governments intervention. You'll notice at that time the numbers in the government
decreased and things corrected themselves on there own. Today the federal government has become way to powerful considering it's only supposed to handle foreign affairs.Now start acting like free US citizens and exorcise you rights and not
let this administration alter our constitution (your rights) he's already admitted that's what he going to do this by the Fairness
doctrine which will eliminate conservative broadcasts because they will be forced to give the liberals free and equal time. Are you willing to work for someone for free that don't really need it. The freedom of choice which means tax dollars (your hard earned money) going to somebody to have an abortion that could have received birth control(free) from the same people that performed the abortion. So for you people that won't hold others responsible for their actions and continue to empower them
to use our hard earned money to line their pockets as we continue to struggle to make ends meet remember you wanted the CHANGE. Remember FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE the government has never did good on purpose except to vote themselves a raise during this depression.

Bill S.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: leblancsp On: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:44 am

"yes and those electronic products were assembled with near slave labor who don't have the lifsyle we have in this country and they never will because they can't make choices for better working conditions, wages, ect.

I bet the big three auto makers would still be in trouble even without the unions,look at what they pay their CEOs .Bonus payouts that are absurd amounts to top officials.What ever the hourly employes didn't get management would have just got even more."


Steveyrock,

It's no different than how every industrialized economy develops. Even now in China, wages are increasing and controls are tightening. The standard of living is rising. The cheapest place to manufacture products now is in Mexico. It's hard to say whether the big three would be in this much trouble without the unions. I doubt it! I think the price of our cars would be a lot cheaper and/or they would contain more standard creature comforts. The market (we the consumer) will bare a certain price point for our cars. If the labor cost is more in line with reality, more cost can applied to higher quality components, features, and warranty extensions. That's all that is missing in my opinion. We have the greatest marketing and advertising talent on the planet in this country......if we can level the playing field in quality and feature sets, we can out market any car manufacturer outside of the US
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: steveyrock On: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:33 am

it's so convenient to blame labor even when executive compensation is out of control.I agree that UAW has gotten it's members very rich labor contracts but non union manufactured cars arn't cheap.

I want to see what obama does with the UAW and the rest of organized labor,he owes them big.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:37 am

Trouble is, Obama won big enough that no single group can claim he "owes" them, as if they would have voted for somebody else had he not promised them something in particular, and that would have changed the outcome.

Look at just medical coverage, for example. The unions have gotten very sweet packages for both workers and retirees, which the Big 3 are obliged by contract to pay. Yet nearly 50 Million Americans don't have medical coverage at all. So why should those 50 Million be contributing to a bailout of the Big 3 so that the unions can continue to have a benefit they don't have?

I think this may be the beginning of the end of employer-paid medicals and the beginning of a universal nat'l health insurance plan.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:39 pm

xackley wrote:The change that was voted for was an end to the "F$$$ you I got mine" attitude of the republican administration.


And the change we got is "F$$$ you, now I'll take yours" attitude of a Democrat administration.

Just what we need, the foreign policy of the the Carter administration(Bryzynski) with the ethics of the Clinton administration. Hang on for a bumpy ride.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: edd On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:06 am

Reading these posts,every one seems to blame presidents,no matter who.In my opinion
I beleive economy problems started a lomg time ago but no one listened.For years our
economy was baised on credit and debt,some thing went wrong,people couldn,t take care
of their obligation,s now all hell broke lose.recession,hell took the gov,t a year to admit that.Take a good look around us ,see what,s happening.I beleive we are in the beginning
of a recession.Where is the money comming from to get us out of this one? more credit,
more debt.bailout loans to company,s going down.Who will have the money to buy their
products?More credit,more debt?I do hope I am wrong in my way of thinking.
god bless
Edd upper hudson valley
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:51 am

edd wrote:Reading these posts,every one seems to blame presidents,no matter who.


I do blame THIS President for promoting a culture of corporate greed in this country & pulling the rug out of legitimate government oversight meant to curb that greed/illegality.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: etribuna On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:05 pm

Devil505 wrote:I do blame THIS President for promoting a culture of corporate greed in this country & pulling the rug out of legitimate government oversight meant to curb that greed/illegality.


The interesting thing is that the single bill most responsible for loosening oversight over the financial services industry was signed by Bill Clinton. Not saying the mess is Clinton's doing, but I can name four groups/entities that are far more responsible for the mess than either Clinton or Bush - starting with Congress going back at least 16 years, under both Democrat and Republican majorities.

Ed...
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:16 pm

etribuna wrote:The interesting thing is that the single bill most responsible for loosening oversight over the financial services industry was signed by Bill Clinton


Give me a break!! Clinton hasn't been President for over 8 years & he left a pretty good economy to GW Bush........ Bush is too blame for ALL of our problems!!! (even the cold snap we are having tonight!!)
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: etribuna On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:38 pm

Devil,

Did you read what I wrote. Let me read it back to you - "Not saying the mess is Clinton's doing".

The problem with people like you is you don't have enough knowledge about what goes on in Washington to understand how and why things happen. And that's just the point. I don't understand how/why people can have such strong opinions when they don't know the facts. The fact is that Bill Clinton signed Gramm-Bliley-Leach and that bill loosened up oversight more than any other law in over a decade. Your opinions would seem to be driven by an ideology rather than facts.

I happen to think George Bush is a dope. I also think that anyone who says the economic meltdown is Bush's doing is an even bigger dope. You clearly have BDS - Bush Derangement Syndrome. You should get over it.

Ed...
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