Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:52 pm

etribuna wrote:The problem with people like you is you don't have enough knowledge about what goes on in Washington to understand how and why things happen.


I majored in Political science in college & spent most of my life in government. You?
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: leblancsp On: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:20 am

Devil,

Then you would know that the Saudi's handed Clinton, Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter and he decided to have him banished to Afganistan. How did that work out for us? Oh now I remember, Bush has had to spend his entire presidency keeping America safe from attacks on our own soil. He may not be the smartest head of cabbage in the patch but he is not the cause of all the problems in the world. Take heart though....we now have president elect "hope and change".......what do say we give him the same amount of respect as the Dems gave our current president...sound fair?
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:26 am

leblancsp wrote:Then you would know that the Saudi's handed Clinton, Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter and he decided to have him banished to Afganistan. How did that work out for us? Oh now I remember, Bush has had to spend his entire presidency keeping America safe from attacks on our own soil.


Bush kept us safe from attacks?!?! Talk about revisionist history!!...Ever hear of 9/11??

Who was President in August/2001 when the CIA briefed him that Al Quieda was planning an imminent major attack within the U.S.....& then that President went on vacation for a month?.....why it was GW Bush! (Bush was in office almost one full year b4 the 9/11/2001 attacks)


Who was President when FBI agents out west got suspicious about Arabs wanting to learn how to fly airliners, but not take off or land in them, & Washington told them to forget it?.......Why...GW Bush!!


The only thing Bush has kept safe for the last 8 years has been his oil company buddies!! :mad:


Now THAT's a little FREE history lesson for you my friend!



I'll make it simple:

While President:

Clinton got a hummer & was impeached for it


Bush destroyed the United States & has yet to be punished.......YET
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:23 pm

He was not impeached for it, if he was, he would have been gone.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:34 pm

coaledsweat wrote:He was not impeached for it, if he was, he would have been gone.


Wrong....He was impeached...He was not found guilty & removed from office by the Senate. (Impeachment is simply like an indictment passed down by The House...The trial was held in the Senate, where he was not removed from office


He was impeached.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: leblancsp On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:22 am

Devil505 wrote:
coaledsweat wrote:He was not impeached for it, if he was, he would have been gone.


Wrong....He was impeached...He was not found guilty & removed from office by the Senate. (Impeachment is simply like an indictment passed down by The House...The trial was held in the Senate, where he was not removed from office


He was impeached.



The President of the United States Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, and acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. The charges, perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power arose from the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones law suit. The trial proceedings were largely party-line, with no Democratic Senators voting for conviction and only five Democratic Representatives voting to impeach. In all, 50 senators voted not guilty, and 50 voted guilty on the obstruction charge. The Senate also acquitted on the charge of perjury with 55 votes cast as not guilty, and 45 votes as guilty. It was only the second impeachment of a President in American history, following the impeachment of Andrew Johnson in 1868.

Our politicians are a joke!
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: leblancsp On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:41 am

Devil505 wrote:
leblancsp wrote:Then you would know that the Saudi's handed Clinton, Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter and he decided to have him banished to Afganistan. How did that work out for us? Oh now I remember, Bush has had to spend his entire presidency keeping America safe from attacks on our own soil.


Bush kept us safe from attacks?!?! Talk about revisionist history!!...Ever hear of 9/11??

Who was President in August/2001 when the CIA briefed him that Al Quieda was planning an imminent major attack within the U.S.....& then that President went on vacation for a month?.....why it was GW Bush! (Bush was in office almost one full year b4 the 9/11/2001 attacks)


Who was President when FBI agents out west got suspicious about Arabs wanting to learn how to fly airliners, but not take off or land in them, & Washington told them to forget it?.......Why...GW Bush!!


The only thing Bush has kept safe for the last 8 years has been his oil company buddies!! :mad:




Now THAT's a little FREE history lesson for you my friend!



I'll make it simple:

While President:

Clinton got a hummer & was impeached for it


Bush destroyed the United States & has yet to be punished.......YET


Thanks for the history lesson........what was I thinking? For some silly reason I was thinking that Slick Willy and his silly stick could have put Osama out of our misery before he masterminded the 9/11 attack during Bush's watch. But I'm betting you think Bush had something to do with talking Slick Willy into letting Osama walk so that he could then attack America which in turn caused Bush to destroy the United States. It's clear to me now :shock:

Now when the annointed one, president elect "hope and change", who vowed to start backing out of Iraq.....then changed his mind......finds Osama, how many liberal weenies do you figure will line up and defend Osama for free of course......and argue that Osama is just misunderstood and it's really Americas fault....no wait...Bush's fault for all that is wrong in the world. ;)
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:53 am

leblancsp wrote:For some silly reason I was thinking that Slick Willy and his silly stick could have put Osama out of our misery before he masterminded the 9/11 attack during Bush's watch.


I don't believe you Bush apologists!

Let's follow your thinking then:

George Bush Senior was responsible for JFK's assasination then, right?....... If he had killed Lee Harvey Oswald.... sometime in the 1950's, JFK would still be alive!

Osama was not the (known) major enemy of the United States during Clinton's watch that he was/is after 9/11/2001....It's that simple!
(9/11/2001 was GW Bush's fault & he deserves the blame for negligently allowing th worst attack against the U.S. in history. He had been given plenty of warning but did nothing except go on vacation!)


leblancsp wrote:Bush's fault for all that is wrong in the world.


Pretty much right on the money!! :poke: :devil:
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:52 pm

The "Osama on a Silver Platter" crap is just so old and tired. And discredited. Don't forget, Geo Tenet (of "slam dunk" infamy -- oh, and Bush's Medal of Freedom recipient) and the CIA boyz refused to certify him at the time.

And lessee, how many tapes has OBL made since triumphantly admitting responsibility for 9/11? And the same CIA -- plus all of our other armed forces -- haven't been able to lay a glove on him? (Gee, I wonder if John McCain is gonna tell Obama all he knows about "how to get Bin Laden"? :lol: )

Apart from more than doubling our 9/11 losses in Iraq, our positively majestic ineptitude since 9/11 has done more to diminish our stature in the world than the attacks themselves.

Pathetic.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: SAU On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:23 pm

When will you children ever learn that both parties play for the same masters and have the same ultimate goals? I'll give you a recent example.

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich Suspends State Business with Bank of America and Is Then Promptly Arrested by the FBI on Corruption Charges


http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=5558

It's all good and well until you mess with the banksters till, then you pay. And that is how you keep the politicians in line. They are all corrupt, most of them have files, it's just a matter of making the banksters mad to be taken down.

Devil,

Are you by chance a Marxist?
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:30 pm

SAU wrote:Devil,

Are you by chance a Marxist?



Define what your concept of "a Marxist" an I'll answer you?
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: SAU On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:37 pm

Sophistry. As political science major I'm certain you know what a Marxist is. I've got nothing but time tonight, so I'll start another thread. No sense in jacking this one.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:43 pm

SAU wrote:Sophistry. As political science major I'm certain you know what a Marxist is. I've got nothing but time tonight, so I'll start another thread. No sense in jacking this one.



What I don't know is what YOU consider a Marxist.
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: leblancsp On: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:47 pm

stockingfull wrote:The "Osama on a Silver Platter" crap is just so old and tired. And discredited. Don't forget, Geo Tenet (of "slam dunk" infamy -- oh, and Bush's Medal of Freedom recipient) and the CIA boyz refused to certify him at the time.

And lessee, how many tapes has OBL made since triumphantly admitting responsibility for 9/11? And the same CIA -- plus all of our other armed forces -- haven't been able to lay a glove on him? (Gee, I wonder if John McCain is gonna tell Obama all he knows about "how to get Bin Laden"? :lol: )

Apart from more than doubling our 9/11 losses in Iraq, our positively majestic ineptitude since 9/11 has done more to diminish our stature in the world than the attacks themselves.

Pathetic.


Pathetic? How's President "deflect" O'Bama look now that Axelrod is quoted as saying "Oh yes OBama has been in contact with the governor to discuss possible Senate seat replacements" and the next day OBama denies having any conversations or discussions with the governor and "we" oh ah "I" had no knowledge of the governors attempts to profit from filling the vacated Senate seat". What a lying slimeball. And who would have guessed that OBama was less than honest with the American public? Simple....anyone who didn't get a tingle on the inside of their leg whenever he spoke. That excludes most of the media who asked him the real tough questions during the campaign like..."oh chosen one, if elected will your daughters go to public school or private school" or "will you get them the doggie you promised?" Some change! 8-)
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Re: Mr. Obama Change ? same old same old....

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:58 pm

Hot Rod Blagojevich's own words on the tapes exonerate Obama. All the Gov was being offered for picking Obama's choice was "appreciation." And it quite obviously wasn't enough.

Moreover, that person, Valerie Jarrett, was appointed a "Senior White House advisor" on November 15, weeks before Fitzgerald stopped Blagojevich's "G-bay" auction last week. So the discussions about appointing her obviously went nowhere and were abandoned by Obama's team long ago.

Nice try, but end of story.
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