leblancsp wrote:stockingfull wrote:The "Osama on a Silver Platter" crap is just so old and tired. And discredited. Don't forget, Geo Tenet (of "slam dunk" infamy -- oh, and Bush's Medal of Freedom recipient) and the CIA boyz refused to certify him at the time.
And lessee, how many tapes has OBL made since triumphantly admitting responsibility for 9/11? And the same CIA -- plus all of our other armed forces -- haven't been able to lay a glove on him? (Gee, I wonder if John McCain is gonna tell Obama all he knows about "how to get Bin Laden"? )
Apart from more than doubling our 9/11 losses in Iraq, our positively majestic ineptitude since 9/11 has done more to diminish our stature in the world than the attacks themselves.
Stocking...are you one of those guys that lets facts get in the way of your opinion.....
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/P ... _laden.htm
coalkirk wrote:You have to understand the Pashtoon tribal culture in that part of Afghanistan/Pakistan. They are loyal if nothing else and are not motivated by cash reward. Besides that, it is one of the most rugged regions on the Earth from a geography standpoint and a HUGE area. Without any help from locals, it's like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. We'll get him eventually. When we do, he'll probably come to Maryland and get a drivers license.
stockingfull wrote:Sorry, dude, but I don't see a thing in that article that refutes that the CIA wouldn't certify OBL for Clinton. In fact, to the contrary, the piece contains the opinions of many who were "fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials" -- the same officials, like Tenet, who were at CIA while Dubya and Condi were ignoring the infamous August 6 PDB entitled "Bin Ladin [sic] Determined to Strike In US." http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html As John McCain might have said, "That's 5 weeks before 9/11, my friends." But it's also a fact that acting on that PDB -- or even reading it -- would have cut into Dubya's month-long Crawford vacation.
But look, whatever fault(s) led to the 9/11 attacks, what remains are the realities that (a) our efforts to get OBL since then have been humiliatingly ineffective, and (b) Iraq needlessly diluted those efforts, had no "WMD" and had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, with the aggregate result that we now look not only weak to the rest of the world, but discredited as well.
jpete wrote:The reality is, "getting" OBL at this point would do nothing but redouble the terrorists efforts. I'm not one who believes in the "Global War on Terror" anyway. I don't think you can beat someone into liking you. And I don't think terrorists are all that "afraid" of us anyway. Stomping out terrorism is like punching water. Pointless, and only serves to wear you out. In the end, the water wins.
coalkirk wrote:jpete wrote:The reality is, "getting" OBL at this point would do nothing but redouble the terrorists efforts. I'm not one who believes in the "Global War on Terror" anyway. I don't think you can beat someone into liking you. And I don't think terrorists are all that "afraid" of us anyway. Stomping out terrorism is like punching water. Pointless, and only serves to wear you out. In the end, the water wins.
You obviously don't understand or believe the goals of the radical muslim agenda. No one is trying to beat them into liking us. It is truly kill or be killed with the radical element. Yes, we would like the so called "regular muslims" to like us. You could fit them on one bus however. Only history will prove the seriousness of this fight. I just hope we are around to see the outcome. And for my money, I'd like to see OBL swinging from a rope.
coalkirk wrote:Yes! Yes! I for one will never forgive Bush for, in the 5 weeks after he took office, not figuring out and difusing the 9/11 attacks that took 6 or more years to plan and execute. After all, Clintons people who had the reigns for 8 years warned him it could happen. And the Clinton people sure did ALL they could do given that they only had 416 weeks to do anything about it. Especially considering that his top people had to deal with the huge national problems of bimbo eruptions. And then there was the matter of our intelligence community being hamstrung by presidential directives that we couldn't use any intelligence assests that might have dirty hands. Please, let's only ask muslim boyscouts what is going on in their world.
Give me a freaking break! Bush was dealt a handfull of crap. We were attacked numerous times and all Clinton did was nothing unless you want to count lobbing million dollar cruise missles in the middle of the desert or bombing a civilian aspirin factory as doing something about it. Your 20/20 hindsight and Monday morning quarterbacking is typical liberal garbage!
Did everything after 9/11 get handled correctly? No. Bush wasn't perfect. Mistakes were made. But doing absolutely NOTHING is a far greater mistake.
coalkirk wrote:Not to minimalize the tragic loss of life in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we lost more men in Iwo Jima in one day than in all of the war on terror. Nothing worth having comes without a sacrifice. .