Another newbee checks in..

Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: hyway61 On: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:08 pm

OKay,,,I've been burning my Russo c-55 for 8 days when it decided to lose the fire. A quick check on these forums verified my suspicion ... lack of Oxygen. A further dissection and cleaning of the stove confirmed my suspicion. Yep...ash build up had clogged the grates pretty good.

I'm burning bagged Kimmel nut, got a 6'' thru the wall stainless steel flue, with a baro damper and manual damper. Man, this Kimmel coal makes alot of ash, but seems this coal burns alright with nice blue lady burn off of gases but it leaves a coal cadaver that doesn't like to bust up and dust on thru my shaker. Shaker seems a little weak when it comes to crushing coal bits that get caught in it...a really big piece of hard coal will bind it up pretty good, yet I think pea coal will run thru it. I think I'm going to move on to more vigorous shaking with light shakes in between major shake downs, especially with this coal's ash content...lot's of ash, but don't want to warp or burn my grate.....

Stove and heat output functions better with greater lower outside temperature differential, and tending to idle itself down on warmer days.....

My thermometers rarely hit 250* on the stove or the flue pipe 8 inches above the stove, yet heat output will raise cottage temp to 80*...got to watch this...

Need a pretty good/big hardwood fire to get coal to start off...

Stove will idle 14 hours with little attention at around 190* stove top temperature....

I have not checked chimney draft, but also haven't seen my baro open or flutter on it's own yet......

I think I'm going to make some custom tools like a 'poker' and a grate saw knife, and get an undergrate inspection mirror.....

So, I think I'm on the curve, but would welcome any suggestions from the pros.

Thanx all and stay warm.....hyway61
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Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: coalvet On: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:26 pm

Hello, I would say you hit the nail on the head with the custom tools idea. Just don't be afraid to shake that stove and use the Custom Tools you make. Ash build up is a coal stoves worst nightmare!!
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:54 pm

Best of luck!!
I just got my first fire going and have a piece of steel bar stock I'm using to poke the fire. I couldn't wait to totally complete my set up; I'm hooked for sure now that I see my first fire!! My cottage is getting warm!
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: bpbobb On: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:51 pm

Just a note of thanks, Made the switch from cordwood to coal in the van wert last year due to a career change. You guys have fine tuned my burning. More to follow
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: hyway61 On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:00 am

OKay...thanx for the encouragement guys. Yep....seems like vigorous shakedowns are the ticket with this stove-flue-coal combo right know. Yesterday I was dumping more ashes and left the ash door open and got distracted outside....stove top hit alittle over 300* with long blue flames, and the baro was just starting to open....that seems like a good thing.
Ashes seem to be building up on the ends of the grates again and will poke and examine. I think in time I will get this routine to a 15 minutes x 2 per day. I am surprised at the amount of ash ... seems like the volume is close to the amount of coal put in the stove.

....hyway61
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Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: coalvet On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:18 am

While the amount of ash you get burning coal vs.wood is quite a lot more, the quality of the coal itself is the determining factor in terms of ash content. The volume may seem the same to you but weight sure isn't. Sometimes it seems like all we do is empty the ash container, but I prefer that to burning oil!!
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: Dallas On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:15 am

I've got a Russo C 35 and have determined "ash" is one of the bigger problems. My cousin sold wood and coal stoves back in the '70s - '80s, which is where I got my Russo. This past summer I modified my ash capacity, due to the fact that these were wood stove "redesigns", which left them with limited ash capacity. In speaking to my cousin on Thanksgiving, he said, "they had an inferior shaking system". I think, the throw of the grate could be more, which is a matter of enlarging the hole, where the actuator arm goes through the steel plate.

I have burnt both nut and pea and have had better luck with the pea, as far a rock being allowed to get to the ash pan. But the pea does compact when shaking, so needs poking to loosen it for the proper draft. If your larger Russo has the same "grate spacing", it should handle pea. Give it a try. Read my other posts, linked below.
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: tstove On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:25 am

Your'e on the right track with the shaking and poking. My russo tends to start getting clogged up after 2 to 3 day's of steady burning.I use the metal rod that came with my stove(I think it's for the ashpan)to poke up from underneath the grates to clear out the grates,shaking alone does't seem to be enough to keep a good flow of air .I can tell when this needs to be done by how the fire react's to my settings,when the stove get's sluggish to bring up a good roaring fire.
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Stove/Furnace Model: c-55,cfi

Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: hyway61 On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:30 pm

Now about these ashes. How toxic might they be,,,if they are at all? My ashes appear gray and salmon colored. Any guide lines for handling, spreading around the property, putting on driveway,, or anything like that? Or should I just continue to pack and send to the landfill...?

hyway61
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Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:21 pm

Look through the forums, there are several on disposal and use of ashes.. they are not toxic, and make good landfill

Greg L
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: hyway61 On: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:39 am

I'm using this Kimmel bagged nut coal and it seems to burn nicely I think even though there is all different sizes of coal in a bag. My main shake down problem is that burned pieces of coal appear as just burned out pieces of coal...like coal mummies....when you touch these they readily break up with a little crunching and seem to be burned through; yet are crunchy gray and salmon colored ash resembling the coal pieces they came from. When shaking these burnt coal mummies get between the teeth of my Russo's rocking grate system and just hang in there for the ride and not really passing thru as they are reduced in size until they get stuck. Eventually the shakedown process dosen't work too well with these burnt mummies held in between the grate's teeth.
So is this a characteristic of coal in general or just my batch of Kimmel...or could I expect a different ash result with Blaschak..? I'm sure poker work will help with this problem; except poking from the bottom of my Russo has to be done with the ash pan removed.!


hyway61
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:02 pm

Some coal burns to a fine powder, some leaves the 'ghosts' you describe.. I think if you have a really deep fire, it helps to burn the coal to a powder, So if you aren't already,, load the firebox as deep as possible,, mound it up in the middle and up to or over the firebrick on the edges.. I think the concentrated heat in the center layers of the deep fire burn the coal better.. Not sure, but it seems that way.

You might want to try a bag or two of coal from a different source,, enough to burn say two nights so you can compare.. Maybe some Reading and some Blaschak ??

Greg L
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:17 pm

I burn Kimmel nut coal as well and know what you are describing. The grates on my Hitzer are pretty aggressive, and can chew up pretty much anything. The overall ash content of the Kimmels is less than the Blaschack I burned last year, but the ash has a more "crunchy" texture.
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: jrivard On: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:48 am

I have the same problem too, but with my victorian coal fire basket in an open fireplace. I have been using Kimmel Stove Coal Anthracite successfully in my basket. I do not have a shaker so I have tried poking from above which just collapses my coal and kills the fire. If I leave it alone it will burn upwards of 10 hours until it collapses on itself and goes out. Any suggestions to keep it going? I've been using stove coal because I think anything smaller and the coal will fall out of the front. My grate has about 3/4 inch holes that get plugged up with the "ghost coals" adventually. I've been keeping the grate open the best I can with a flat blade screw driver from below, but adventually it will go out. I'd like to be able to keep it going all weekend. Do you think I should use smaller coal and the home made "L" tool to keep the air flow going?


http://www.victorianhomeandfire.com/product_info.php?products_id=41&osCsid=da183c5ed1085df8946c5ad320541ca3
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The above linke the basket I am using.
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Re: Another newbee checks in..

PostBy: hyway61 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:32 am

The solution to my coal 'mummie' problem seems to be careful poking thru the dark spots with a good crisp shakedown..


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