Dump Trailers

Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: JB Sparks On: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:49 pm

Hey George-nj,
Nice looking trailor, any chance you could take a pic with the trailor in the dumping mode so as to see the sissor mechanism?
Also have any idea what it would take for HP to pull that trailor to Pa. and back to Mass. with three tons of coal. Need to figure out cost, but thinking about going to Pa. and get my own coal and maybe haul some for others around here.

JB
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: Matthaus On: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:58 pm

Dump trailers are the only way to go, especially if you own a diesel PU and have a buddy that owns a 12X7 scissor dumper rated at 15,000 GVW. :D
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They are also good for this
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5 tons of coal in the trailer and room for more
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:23 pm

George-NJ wrote: I have to echo what others said about the cons of having a dump truck, the cost of insuring, registration & the hassel of inspection really kill any pros to a dump truck, especially for occasional users.
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You are right about that for the most part . I didn't even tag it last year because of fuel costs . But I got my moneys worth out of it the first year I bought it . I hauled in about 150 loads of fill from about 2 miles down the road . About 14-18ton at a time . This year I will just put a farm tag on it .Next year I will just sell it . Dave
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: George-NJ On: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:06 am

I see Matthaus already posted a pick of the sissor hoist. I use my navigator to pull the dump trailer around. It regularly pulls 10k lbs or better with no problems. Of course its got the optioned factory tow package with the larger 5.4 (?) gas motor, after market heavier duty air bag suspension. The dealer told me it was rated for 8k lbs, but that I could do 10k if I was careful, and I am. I'm a sight to see on sites in the mud in 4 low working the lincoln & dump trailer like a rented mule. I get plenty of comments from the trades guys how impressed they are that the truck does what it does.

Just about any large suv (american) can can pull them. my concern is stopping power, enough weight for breaking traction, good breaks & GOOD trailer breaks are a must.

JB Sparks wrote:Hey George-nj,
Nice looking trailor, any chance you could take a pic with the trailor in the dumping mode so as to see the sissor mechanism?
Also have any idea what it would take for HP to pull that trailor to Pa. and back to Mass. with three tons of coal. Need to figure out cost, but thinking about going to Pa. and get my own coal and maybe haul some for others around here.

JB
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:32 pm

My dump trailer is a 10,000 GVW dual drop axle. Excellent brakes on all wheels and tows well with my 1/2 ton 2wd Silverado w/towing package. I get "nice trailer" comments all the time. The only thing I would do differently would be to register the trailer in Maine to avoid Maryland's high initial registration tax.
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: JB Sparks On: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:38 pm

Yanche, i have access to a trailor like yours. It sure makes life a little easier. I would like to see one of those high sissor lift trailors jacked up to see just how high then can go. Didn't George-NJ say that he had one of those?

JB
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:56 pm

I don't know if registering in Maine is still a good plan or not. Trailers over 3,000 pound gross commercial or 7,000 pound residential now need $75 a yr inspection stickers. Also, a work to the wise for Mainers, the State Police have gotten very pickey about trailer weight. They are stopping people and weighing them with portable scales. If you are one ounce over wieght they through the book at you. I've heard the fines start at $750. Ouch! It used to be they never gave residents a second glance. I guess they are looking for easy income. Everyone overloads trailers now & then.
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: George-NJ On: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:47 am

JB Sparks,

I have one with the sissor hoist, don't have a pic of it up in the air & it has construction debris in it so I wont be able to take a pic now. It does go up high in the air, never had anything stuck in it at the dump. If something gets wet then freezes, that's another story. The only thing I would do different would be to get or make the combo back door where it would go up or down like a dump truck tailgate OR side swing/ barn doors. Not having the tailgate in the way when dumping dirt helps alot. If I'm running around a site moving dirt I take the tail gate off. At the landfill we dump off a cliff and hang the tail past the cliff so the tailgate doesn't hinder the debris from coming out.

I have a couple of welders, just haven't made the time to play with the tailgate.

JB Sparks wrote:Yanche, i have access to a trailor like yours. It sure makes life a little easier. I would like to see one of those high sissor lift trailors jacked up to see just how high then can go. Didn't George-NJ say that he had one of those?

JB
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: JB Sparks On: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:00 am

Hi George,

Thanks for the reply, That's ok about the pic, just thought it would be a real cool pic.
Your right about the tailgate, the one i use has the barn doors. You lock them open and they are totally out of the way.

JB
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:13 pm

Yanche wrote:My dump trailer is a 10,000 GVW dual drop axle. Excellent brakes on all wheels and tows well with my 1/2 ton 2wd Silverado w/towing package. I get "nice trailer" comments all the time. The only thing I would do differently would be to register the trailer in Maine to avoid Maryland's high initial registration tax.

Man that's a nice trailer. Maybe Santa will bring me one. Fat chance.
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: Yanche On: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:15 am

Pequea will build you a new one any time, they are right up the road from you in New Holland, PA. It's a C-1500 with split barn doors and loading ramps. The savings in burning coal first paid for my boiler, now going directly to the breakers is paying for the trailer. A much better investment than a 401K or in my case a 403b. :-)
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: dtzackus On: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:14 am

I opted to buy an old 1978 3/4 pickup box trailer. I have yet to get coal with it as it seems everything time I have extra cash, Santa's little helper, my wife, informs me that we need to buy other things. O well I am still sitting on 2 1/2 tons, so I am not needed of it yet. But it came with the bed liner, cap and "newer" tires. Seeing the tilt trailers makes me wonder if I could rig something like that to mine. Hmm....
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:36 am

OK so this is a pretty old thread but I need to revive it. I'm in the last heating season of my previous coal shipment. Last time I had 24.5 tons of Summit rice delivered. Can't do that again because it turned out the tractor trailer could not negotiate the turn onto my road. I had to have it dumped elsewhere and I hauled it two tons at a time in my pickup to my place. A real pain in the neck (and back) to say the least. If I get a bulk delievery this time it will have to be a tri-axel. I think they only hold about 17 tons?? I assume the shipping cost will be about the same so I'd be paying more per ton. So the decission I need to make now is do I get fewer tons at a higher price or should I put those shipping cost dollars into a dumping trailer?

I'm a 2 1/2 hours from coal country so the ride is no big deal. A trailer rated for 5 tons GVW can legally haul 4 tons I assume and I could put another ton in my pickup bed. It would hold 2 tons but really puts a strain on the brakes. So I could haul 5 tons per trip with only fuel costs to pay.

Looking at trailers I see they are low riders like Yanches or I also see them with the bed fully over the tires. Pro's/cons?? I really like Yanches but I think it may be too pricey for my budget.
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:00 pm

Just as some more data in your cost trade offs. I've now haul with a 3/4 ton Duramax diesel pickup and it cost $75 round trip in fuel for me to make it to UAE. That's buying all my fuel in MD where it's cheaper than in PA. To be only slightly overloaded I can only get 4 tons in the trailer. It's a heavy trailer and I could likely safely haul more but the potential fines are too steep for me to risk it. With my class C drivers license I'm total weight limited. I've not put coal in the truck bed. Too messy to deal with, I just make a second trip.
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Re: Dump Trailers

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:04 pm

Thanks John. Marylands website leaves me confused. In one section it says license class C trailers of less than 10,000lbs. In another section it says class C any combinbation of vehicles under 26,000 lbs and any trailer as long as it's non-commercial.

http://www.mva.maryland.gov/Driver-Serv ... eclass.htm

I think PA's law is alot clearer. Trailers of less them 10,000 period.
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