Dump Trailers for Transporting Coal

Yanche · Post by **Yanche** » Wed. Dec. 14, 2011 3:21 pm

My understanding for class C the truck plus trailer must be less than 26,000 lbs. I've had some interesting discussions with Maryland's finest about such enforcement. Most say you will be weighed together as a total weight. Under 26K and you are ok. Others that go by the book say, when they see class C license they should disconnect the trailer and weight it separately. It matters if you exceed 10K on the trailer alone but the total truck + trailer is still under 26K. One way you are ok, the other you get a ticket. BUT, all say just have the rig look good, drive around the speed limit and you will not be stopped.

Post by **Rob R.** » Wed. Dec. 14, 2011 3:56 pm

This is what the NYS DMV has to say.

A driver with a Class D license can now operate a passenger vehicle, a limited use automobile, or:

A truck with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less. (Before, a Class D driver could only operate a vehicle with a GVWR of 18,000 lbs. or less.),

A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less,

A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle that has a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs., but the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of the two vehicles together must be 26,000 lbs. or less.

theo · Post by **theo** » Wed. Dec. 14, 2011 4:02 pm

Study up on your laws,,, if you do get pulled over here in PA they check everything ! If your driving a diesel they even dip your tank. I know for awhile they were really watching for them because of a few bad accidents with people towing. They will even measure your saftey chains to make sure they are the correct lenth. You will be ok as long as you know and follow the laws for your state. I missed out on it the last couple years but in PA close to were I live they have a 1 day class on towing and all the do's and donts. They can get pretty picky on some of this stuff.

AA130FIREMAN · Post by **AA130FIREMAN** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 7:49 pm

theo wrote: If your driving a diesel they even dip your tank.

What part of PA did this happen ? I've never had this happen to me.

MURDOC1 · Post by **MURDOC1** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 8:07 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:
theo wrote: If your driving a diesel they even dip your tank.
What part of PA did this happen ? I've never had this happen to me.

It happens statewide every day, just depends on who is doing the enforcement/inspection... FMCSA (federal motor carrier safety association) officers are the ones that generally will go this far to sample your fuel... PSP, not so much unless it is a Motor Carrier Enforcement unit in a full size van... Local authorities almost never check fuel... It doesn't pay to run "red"!!! The fines are massive...

theo · Post by **theo** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 8:21 pm

Amen Brother,,, my buddy got dipped and they nailed him. He wasnt even towing. I guess he was just at the wrong place at the right time ! I wont run red, they say you can always say that you put some atf in the tank to clean your injectors but the state must send the sample to a lab then and have it tested. I'am really not sure how they can detrmine it,, anyone know?

MURDOC1 · Post by **MURDOC1** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 9:10 pm

Easy, at this point it's all about the Sulfur content, anything above 15 PPM is off-highway fuel or heating oil...

AA130FIREMAN · Post by **AA130FIREMAN** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 9:32 pm

MURDOC1 wrote:Easy, at this point it's all about the Sulfur content, anything above 15 PPM is off-highway fuel or heating oil...

What if you add the lubricity additive ?

Coalfire · Post by **Coalfire** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 9:55 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:
MURDOC1 wrote:Easy, at this point it's all about the Sulfur content, anything above 15 PPM is off-highway fuel or heating oil...
What if you add the lubricity additive ?

That wouldn't change the sulfur content.

Eric

AA130FIREMAN · Post by **AA130FIREMAN** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 10:11 pm

Coalfire wrote:
AA130FIREMAN wrote: What if you add the lubricity additive ?
That wouldn't change the sulfur content.

Eric

For what I know, when they lowered the sulfur, it also takes away the lubricity ?

SMITTY · Post by **SMITTY** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 10:21 pm

I think your right.

Besides, most things the government mandates isn't for the longevity of your equipment or to save you any money - it's to MAKE THEM money & screw you out of some in the process.

I'm thinking now it probably isn't worth hauling coal out of PA. I didn't realize PA was going after private folks hauling trailers. Guess it's cheaper to pay a premium for bagged coal than pay a fine.

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Thu. Dec. 15, 2011 11:47 pm

It costs about $40 a ton on a tt load 23-27 tons depending who is driving...
To The Cape...
So for your 4 ton load...
On a brandy new dump trailer...
Same kind of math for cutting log length logs...
Now if you can 'borrow a rig' for the coal trip it may be worth it...

MURDOC1 · Post by **MURDOC1** » Fri. Dec. 16, 2011 3:26 pm

[/quote] For what I know, when they lowered the sulfur, it also takes away the lubricity ?[/quote]

You're right, it did lower the lubricity of diesel fuel, but, not entirely due to lowering the actual sulfur content from 500 PPM to 15 PPM, seeing that sulfur itself is not considered a lubricant, but instead the natural lubricating properties of diesel fuel have been reduced by the refining process used to reduce the amount of sulfur contained in the finished product fuel... Many problems for older mechanical injection pump engines resulted from this new fuel, seems more solvent like than anything... I am a big fan of Power Service products and recommend it to all with older mechanical engines, even new diesels for that matter...

coalkirk · Post by **coalkirk** » Thu. Feb. 16, 2012 8:39 am

Finally found one and made the deal. It's a 2007 Bri-mar DT610LP-10. I have had several in my sights over the last couple months but missed out before I could close the deal. This one was about 3 hours away near Ocean City Md. Has a little rust from the salt air but not bad. Has had very little use. Original tires and brakes in very good shape.

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MURDOC1 · Post by **MURDOC1** » Thu. Feb. 16, 2012 8:50 am

Nice find coalkirk!!! The Bri-Mar dump trailers seem to hold up real well, my landlord has one that he beats the S--T out of on a daily basis, only ever replaced brake linings and tires over the years from normal expected wear...

Best of luck with it and Happy Coal Hauling!!!