Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:46 pm

Illinois Governor busted trying to sell the senate seat of Barack Obama to highest bidder.

He also extorted money from whom over he could.

Gave money to Children's Hospital with the understanding that he would get a campaign contribution from the hospital CEO for $ 50,000. When the money didn't come, he wanted to know if he could get the $ 8 mil back.

Most of the allegations are results of wiretap and office bugging.

Here's the DOJ press release: http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/chic ... 209_01.pdf



About time some of these crooks are caught. :chop:




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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:08 pm

Truly disgusting & a real danger to our way of life! :mad:

I'd be in favor of strengthening the criminal penalties for major corruption like that to act as a REAL deterrence! (maybe like "Life Without parole" or something like that!)
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: kootch88 On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:12 pm

Here is a guy who may claim to respect and love his country, but by making a mockery of the process of appointing a Senator he has shown his true colors. It is very sad. I hope his life is made a train wreck so we never have to deal with him again.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: acesover On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:30 pm

TRUE SCUM white boy, put him in the state pen with his bros, they know what to do with him. I think they will love him to death, if you know what I mien. Get out the soap.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: lincolnmania On: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:43 pm

he should be hung for treason
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:56 am

Very bad form indeed.

But the notion that there is some uniquely "best qualified" candidate for a US Senate opening is completely naive. Just like for the presidential election last month, If there were an ordinary primary race, there would be a number of candidates vying for the position, each more deserving of the office in the eyes of some of the voters. So, if you have only one voter (in this case, the gov), which candidate is the "deserving" one? Obviously, several. So then the question becomes which one of the several, and why?

I'm not endorsing patent graft, but politics is like making sausage, or scrapple. You may like the result, but watching isn't for the overly sensitive.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:19 am

If guys think this is the only time this has ever happened they might be badly mistaken. It just so happens that this one got nailed.Why did they [legal types] act so fast to keep it from getting even more messy? What kind of fish would have been brought up in the larger net if this scheme had been allowed to play out ? Politicos are denying anything to do with him now,they see it as a political career ender.We need to hunt out more of this type that are without ethics, and living off the taxpayers. We need a special category of punishment commensurate with the harm they do to this Country.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: billlindley On: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:14 am

Mike,

Couldn't have said it better. Anyone who thinks there are truly honest politicians out there is sadly mistaken. Fact of the matter is generally to get anywhere in politics there is some type of wrongdoing along the way. The higher up one gets the easier it is sometimes ot cover-up. Whomever pointed the FBI towards the Illionois governer is probably another politician who is vying for the governer's seat or some other office.

Lack of evidence/investigation is the only reason most politicians aren't in jail. 8-)
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:48 am

While repugnent, this governor did what all politicians do, sell access, favors and jobs. He just achieved a new level of frankness and openess in how he went about it. He knew he was under investigation by the feds and he spoke on his own phone about selling this senate seat anyway. He had been told by David Axlerod to appoint a certain person that Obama wanted and he would be rewarded but he would have to suck it up for two years so that there wasn't the appearance of quid pro quo. He either didn't trust Obama or he didn't want to wait for his payoff. Obama is not even sworn in yet and we've got the first scandel of his administration. Axlerod is on tape in November saying Obama has been in discusions with the Gov about senate appointment candidates. As soon as this thing broke the other day, Obama denied ever speaking to the Gov about it. Axlerod had to fall on his sword and say he "misspoke." Please!
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:09 pm

coalkirk wrote:While repugnent, this governor did what all politicians do, sell access, favors and jobs. He just achieved a new level of frankness and openess in how he went about it. He knew he was under investigation by the feds and he spoke on his own phone about selling this senate seat anyway. He had been told by David Axlerod to appoint a certain person that Obama wanted and he would be rewarded but he would have to suck it up for two years so that there wasn't the appearance of quid pro quo. He either didn't trust Obama or he didn't want to wait for his payoff. Obama is not even sworn in yet and we've got the first scandel of his administration. Axlerod is on tape in November saying Obama has been in discusions with the Gov about senate appointment candidates. As soon as this thing broke the other day, Obama denied ever speaking to the Gov about it. Axlerod had to fall on his sword and say he "misspoke." Please!


I agree with the overall sentiment, but not the conclusion. It's quite clear from the transcripts that the main reason Rod the Gov was becoming unhinged was that he believed Obama was offering nothing but "appreciation" in exchange for appointing his pick.

That hardly makes a scandal for Obama. Blagojevich, sure. Jesse, Jr., maybe. But, even assuming there was contact, there's nothing to implicate Obama or anybody on his team in any improper transaction, or even discussion.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: kootch88 On: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:31 pm

The truth doesn't mater Stocking, because Obama is not one of this forum's "guys", he is guilty, period. Who knows, maybe he is guilty. I'd prefer to see some evidence first. Same holds true for the folks on MSNBC. He could have been caught on video paying the money to this Gov. but they would have spun it the other way. The only truth the media finds is the truth they want to find.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: billlindley On: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:55 am

I don't think this scandal hits Obama nor should it. He can offer guidance and provide a successor he would approve of without incident. It’s the implied selling of the seat that is the crime. I highly doubt that Obama, with everything he had at stake over the past 12-18 months, would have done anything that could have potentially been used against him. IN fact with the historic nature of this election I doubt Obama has many skeletons in his closet as people were out to get him from the day he announced he was running.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:08 am

The fact remains that David Axlerod is on TV on Nov. 23rd saying Obama has been in conversations with the gov over the appointment. And I'd have every expectation that he would do so as it will clearly be important to Obama who gets picked. As soon as this stuff hit the fan, Obama says he never spoke to the Gov. and Axlerod suddenly he has to say he misspoke on the 23rd. I'm not even saying that Obama was involved in any thing dubious in doing so but why did he chose to lie about it? It's the lie that gets you and its the lie that bothers me. I'm trying to like Obama as he is steering the boat for at least 4 years. But this doesn't help his cause with me.
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: billlindley On: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:19 am

If he did change his stance on even talking about it with the governer then yes, he is hiding something. However Obama is not on tape suggesting any candidates, correct? Until I hear that tape then I say he's clean. I have to believe he's clean becuase this country can not suffer thru everything we are now along with a crooked president. I hold out hope that he is all about change and that he is all about doing it the right way...... :(
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Re: Illinois Gov. Busted for "Pay to Play"

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:08 pm

Of course, it makes no sense that, on one hand, Obama should have been criticized for not going to GA to campaign for Senate candidate Jim Martin in the runoff there but, on the other hand, should have had neither interest in nor contact with the Governor of IL about the replacement for the Senate seat he himself would be vacating.

And, of course, that isn't what happened. Obviously, any President is vitally interested in the make-up of the Senate he'll be dealing with.

But, ordinarily, discussions about a vacancy appointment aren't either held in or made public, because it would needlessly diminish the many people discussed but not selected. For example, we now know that "Candidate 1" was long-time Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett; and we know that she was named "Senior WH Advisor" or some such quite some time ago, which we now could take as a pretty strong indication that the Obama team wasn't interested in any "horse trading" with Blagojevich over the appointment, like a Cabinet post or Ambassadorship or the like.

The only news here is that Gov Rod apparently made these discussions so, um, "blunt" that they reached a level of abnormality which, at this very moment, has caused the IL Attorney General to ask the IL Supreme Ct to declare Blagojevich "unable to serve" as Gov. Only those who were stupid enough to go down that "Rod road" will be making any news here, and there's no sign that either Obama or his people are anywhere near that line.
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