Obama Youth in Paramilitary Garb Chant Propaganda

Re: Obama Youth in Paramilitary Garb Chant Propaganda

PostBy: SAU On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:12 pm

I wasn't for the war either but I'm not for giving my money away. I've made great sacrifices to be where I am today. I've been to war, I've lived 1500 miles from my family for fifteen years, and have been uprooted several times in order to better myself. Please point out where I can learn more of this civic duty stuff you speak of, and the laws that require me to perform them. Anything Obama, or for that matter Bush "gives to the people" will be paid for via inflation or taxation. Get used to having a lower standard of living because as long as the government continues to tinker with the markets the U.S. will decline, just as it did during the 30's after Hoover and while FDR tinkered with them. No, I don't want to pass on a cent to those kids, or to their health, as I have enough trouble supporting my own child's dreams and future. If you want to make a donation I'm sure they will take them direct, no sense in pointing a gun at my head and making me donate too, because that would be unamerican.


Do you actually expect them to know where the money comes from?


Yes, I do expect them to, monetary policy is extremely simple to understand. My 16 year old understands the basic concept of how money is produced in this nation but it isn't because his school taught him. That is because such discussions are verboten in the public school system. For that matter I would say that 95% of the populous does not understand how money is created in the American system, because if they did...

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

- Henry Ford


Besides, this isn't about the kids, it's about the propaganda that will be introduced to all of our children if Obama gets his way.


Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/
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Re: Obama Youth in Paramilitary Garb Chant Propaganda

PostBy: SAU On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:51 pm

Who is leading who Kootch?

You don't have facts. I provide facts all of the time when I post here. Near as I could figure, doing a cursory search, is that the KKK is about 300,000 members strong (weak, weird, whatever) or .001% of the U.S. population. It isn't that hard to Google anything, I can get facts from anywhere but if the source doesn't seem reliable I won't use it. I would never use anything from The ADL anymore than I would use something from the KKK. I've been out west since 92 and I have only seen one of these skinhead types in that entire time. People really need to be more selective of what they watch on television.

I'm pretty sure you are paying at least 31% yourself.

http://www.goodcitizen.org/WWLA%20Book/ ... 0email.htm

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The pie chart above is not a perfect representation because it does include weekends and holidays.

The mobsters can only exist when there is a black market created by laws and regulations forbidding the use or possession of some item.



Our military spending is out of control because the military industrial complex buys our politicians. Here I'll hold your hand through this one too. We can not maintain this overgrown empire any more than Rome could, or Brittan could. It is not our duty or in our best interest to go around the world acting as a police force, and the idea that we can afford to do this is ridiculous. We spend $123 billion more than the rest of the world combined providing free police service the world over

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ending.htm

Switzerland on the other hand uses a Militia and has never been invaded.


The Nazis could have eventually have conquered Switzerland, but at a fearful price. The Wehrmacht expected 200,000 German casualties; it would have taken a very long time to remove the Swiss military from the Alpine “Reduit” to which they planned to make a stand. And by the time the Swiss were defeated, every bridge and train track and everything else of value to the conquerors would have been destroyed.

The reason that Switzerland was too difficult to invade—in contrast to all the other nations which Hitler conquered in a matter of weeks—was the Swiss militia system. Unlike all the other nations of Europe, which relied on a standing army, Switzerland was (and still is) defended by a universal militia. Every man was trained in war, had his rifle at home, was encouraged to practice frequently, and could be mobilized almost instantly. The Swiss militiaman was under orders to fight to the last bullet, and after that, with his bayonet, and after that, with his bare hands. Rather than having to defeat an army, Hitler would have had to defeat a whole people.


http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/rkba/swiss_militia.htm


The Framers feared two things: large standing armies and select militias. A select militia was an armed group formed not from the entire population of a jurisdiction by public notice, but selected by some method that might make them unrepresentative of the community, and a threat to lawful government or to the community. A regular standing army or police force is always a select militia, and it may serve the will of those in power, and be used against the people. Therefore, the Framers intended that the militia should always be able to prevail over the government and its armies or select militias. They did not trust those in power to voluntarily refrain from corruption or the abuses that attend it. The Militia was seen as one of the checks on the power of government, like division of powers between the central and state governments, between the executive, judicial, and legislative branches, and between the two houses of the legislative branch.


http://www.constitution.org/col/5508_col.htm

Fire fighters, state parks and most roads are not paid for by the Federal government. My gripe is not with state taxes because state taxes are local enough that they can generally be controlled by the voting citizen. I am complaining about the federal taxes (to include inflation) and the rules and regulations that the federal government places on the monies redistributed to the states or sent overseas. The federal government was never meant to rule over the states or to dictate to the states.

"The States should be left to do whatever they can do as well as the federal government"
Thomas Jefferson

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

One of the most contentious points in the formation of a Federal government came from the individual states. The states didn't want to lose the ability to make regional decisions nor to be subject to an overriding power from a distant national capital. The Tenth Amendment was written to reassure the states that they would remain largely in charge within their own borders. Until the mid-19th century, the Tenth Amendment was often cited by state governments to prevent Federal regulation of everything from taxation to interstate commerce. Since 1837, however, various rulings have mitigated the straightforward meaning of the Tenth Amendment, and such matters as a Federal income tax were subsequently upheld in the courts.


That great living I make has little to do with the federal government, It has to do with you wanting electricity. It's a supply demand kind of thing.

Lastly, when the government is getting 1/3 of your life wages it's getting pretty darned close to taking everything. I started paying taxes at 15, I will probably never retire because Social Security will be defunct (like all Ponzi schemes become defunct). Assuming I live to 75, I will have donated 20 years of my life to a government that spends way too much money on things that do not benefit me or the nation at large.
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Re: Obama Youth in Paramilitary Garb Chant Propaganda

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:32 pm

SAU,

Is your beef the taxes we all pay or is it the kids in the video striving to be better Americans? I'm pretty sure that no one likes paying taxes - I don't and I pay quite a bit in taxes myself. There's been years where I've had to write checks in the thousands in April when everyone else was talking about refunds. That sucked but I had to do it.

Fact is, under the Bush regime, your tax dollars (and mine, and Kootch's, and everyone else's) were diverted to pay for a war, to pay for killing innocent civilians, to give large tax breaks to the wealthiest of Americans, and quite a bit of corporate welfare including Exxon-Mobil.

If some of those tax dollars are redirected to taking care of the ills at home, of the ills of the American people - and yes, of the ills of your neighbors and children, then you will see benefits. Sure, it would be nice if they would just get rid of the taxes and let everyone fend for themselves, but that's not going to happen and it shouldn't happen. Case in point, what if something happens to you and you can no longer provide for your family? Do you not think that maybe they should get some assistance, SSI for instance? Those are your tax dollars at work. Your kids going to go to college? How about a Pell Grant? Your tax dollars at work. Are your parents alive, SAU? Are they getting Medicare? Your tax dollars at work.

It's time we take our tax dollars back and see them used for the benefit of Americans, SAU, and yes, that includes your children and mine, and the kids in the video. Fact is, the taxes aren't going anywhere but we can work to make sure we see them used for domestic purposes first and foremost.
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Re: Obama Youth in Paramilitary Garb Chant Propaganda

PostBy: SAU On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:54 pm

tvb,

I don't think you are getting it, and I can only assume that you don't care enough to get it.

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How did this poor old nation ever get along for the 124 years before the federal income tax came into being in 1913? Or medicare and medicaid in 1965? BTW the 60's was when medical cost started to skyrocket, wonder if there is a correlation?
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