Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: SAU On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:35 pm

And the Vigilant didn't keep up. The gas furnace has came on a couple of times in the mornings with the thermostat set at 59. I even went to the trouble of firing up the Nordic insert. Man oh man. People say the Vigilant is the ultimate "he man stove". Well let me tell you, they are wrong. I burned that Nordic junk last year and had no idea how bad it is. The fire bed is only four inches deep and the shaker is just plate metal with slot cut into it that you slide back and forth quickly and violently to get any kind of shaking action. The thing is truly pathetic. The house heats up pretty good with it's south facing elevation and I got the place up to 71 degrees today, but I'm pretty sure the furnace will be kicking on by the morning again. Good thing we have electric blankets :).

Anyone have recommendations for coal inserts?
SAU
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Castings/Nordic Stove
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:39 pm

I'd insert a good coal boiler into your basement and stop playing games with the He man stove. :) Scott
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:39 pm

Harman makes a nice hand-fed insert:
http://www.harmanstoves.com/callouts.asp?id=17
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
I have heard that people like it for burning anthracite, but I'm not sure how it would work for bituminous as it has no over-fire air vents.
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:20 pm

Sniff around for an old stokermatic or Prill. Or cough up the cash for the new bituminous burner equiped EFM boiler.. It has a Prill firepot I think.

A big handfeed boiler or furnace willwork, but you really don't want a fireplace insert, not with bituminous..

Look in the EFM manufactureers section for info.

Greg L
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: rockwood On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:59 pm

Here in Utah I see old stokermatics come up for sale and they go fast.
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I grew up around these and know they will have no problem heating an average size house in cold climate.

http://nepacrossroads.com/member/steinkebunch/ has a similar unit (I think) in Wyoming.
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: SAU On: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:27 pm

I poked around on craigs list a little but no luck.

My coal burns without an overhead air source mark.

LS, you are quite knowledgeable, are you a dealer? More importantly, to me anyway, Why wouldn't an insert work well with bit?

When I bought the Vigilant this summer I was counting on natural gas going through the roof. This inflation/deflation cycle has been tremendous, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who was looking at a three year or less return on my coal investment. With current prices I'm sure it will jump to four or five years, if these prices can hold. My greatest benefit is that coal heat is essentially free to me after the appliances pay for themselves. An insert would take a while to pay for it's self, a stoker would take forever I'm afraid.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Castings/Nordic Stove
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:50 am

SAU - vearing from the topic a little ... do they run the strip mines 24/7 when it's that cold?
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: SAU On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:33 am

Kind of sorta.

At 20 below the trucks are supposed to run half speed and the shovels are to reduce capacity by 50%. Mines vary in their low temperature rules. The huge walking draglines are especially sensitive due to the boom structure, and even if they don't break while it is cold they will start having issues when it warms up. Equipment availability falls off dramatically because electronics start to malfunction and air systems freeze up. We screwed up the other day and let the automatic diesel lightplants shut off in the morning. in the evening when it was time for them to start they wouldn't. The large cable used to power the shovels is a pain in the neck to move in warm weather but it is almost impossible when it is this cold, it goes from being flexible to being nearly petrified. Cold snaps, and the first few really hot days of summer almost guarantee equipment availability to drop to 65%.

Ran into a boiler maker who is working on a power plant near here. We were sitting at the bar in a restaurant, and struck up a conversation. The reason we wasn't working was because none of their equipment would start.
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:07 am

Hang in there! Daylight time will be gettng longer in a few days :) If I had to work out in that, I don't know what kind of gear I'd need to wear. Not to mention breath. Do you work 12 hrs then too or do you do more frequent breaks?

If you could warm your house up to 71 when it's -3 without much help from the gas furnace your not doing too bad. How many times did you have to tend the stoves and how many Lbs are you throwing through the Vigilant?
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: captcaper On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:27 am

markviii wrote:Harman makes a nice hand-fed insert:
http://www.harmanstoves.com/callouts.asp?id=17
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
I have heard that people like it for burning anthracite, but I'm not sure how it would work for bituminous as it has no over-fire air vents.


This stove will blow you away if you are right in front of the blower vents..My Mark III which looks just like this one without the side wings has a stong blower. But I guess you can get a variable switch.
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: SAU On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:15 pm

The longest I was out of the pickup the day that the high was -12 was about 20 minutes, mostly you try to take it easy, not as much gets done, wear Carhart bibs & coat with layers. When I was young and dumb I did a small stint drilling. I would stand so close to the diesel heater that I once caught on fire. As far as the coal usage... A lot. I really don't know how many hods I've thrown at them.
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: Ashcat On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:09 pm

SAU-- Hitzer's 983 insert has over-the-fire vents that might permit bit burning. The Hitzer people are very responsive and could easily answer this question, by phone or email.

http://www.hitzer.com/model983.html

By the way, how much space are you looking to heat?
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: SAU On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:19 pm

1750 square foot bi-level
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: Ashcat On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:57 pm

SAU wrote:1750 square foot bi-level

Sounds do-able to me with an insert.
My 983 has a single door with no fire-level intakes (but it has above the fire intakes). The double-door variety pictured at the link above has fire-level intakes also, which might help with burning bituminous more than my single door model. Both have large firebox that puts out alot of heat.
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Re: Finally got cold, -3 for a high -19 for a low.

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:42 pm

SAU wrote:...8<... When I was young and dumb I did a small stint drilling. I would stand so close to the diesel heater that I once caught on fire. As far as the coal usage... A lot. I really don't know how many hods I've thrown at them.


I hear that too. When on a overnight hike w/o a tent, just some plastic sheeting and my new (in '74) down mummy bag. Nearest town recorded -19. Toasty -in my dreams ;)

I was wondering, on the Vigilant's right side, do you need to open the paddle cover over the secondary burn opening to burn bit? Ashcat's comment about Hitzers with the higher fire box air feeds got me wondering about this and weather other stove makers offer this option.
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