Clayton 1600 Problems

Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: eng11ine On: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:24 pm

I purchased a clayton 1600 Wood/Coal burner this year. I also purchased the Draft inducer kit from tractor supply. I have a barometric damper installed. My problem is I can't seem to heat my house above 63 degrees on Extremly cold days (20 and below). My Chimmney is 3 Stories high. Am I over drafting or under drafting? I read some post and believe that if I turn my FAD off I should get a better burn. Please help, I am at wits end. Also, Where do I find a draft gauge Thanks
eng11ine
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Clayton
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:20 pm

The board has a loaner program for manometers here: Manometer Loaner Program

It sounds like you have too much draft. A draft inducer with a 30" chimney sounds like a lot of draft to me.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: DOUG On: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:34 pm

Hi, you come to the right place for Clayton 1600 issues. Coaledsweat may be correct about too much draft. You could be sucking all the heat up the chimney. What size is the chimney? What is your draft setting read? What is your stovepipe temperature read? How large of a area do you need to heat? How is your supply and return duct work run? Is it parallel or series configuration? What fuel are you burning? Any pictures would be nice. We'll be standing by to answer. DOUG

Northcandlewood, Charles, let's see if we can help eng11ine out. DOUG :)
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Stove/Furnace Make: CHUBBY, D.S.MACHINE BOILER
Stove/Furnace Model: CLAYTON 1600

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Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: eng11ine On: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:49 pm

My chimmney is 14 by 14 , it is built inside my house. My place was built around 1900. it on the end of a row. I have my Baro damper set at .06, What US Stove calls for. I'm heating around 2,700 Sq ft. I have my supply duct ran, Still working on my returns. Right now the return is just through te basement. As far as Stove pipe temp, can i read that by using a Heatgun? If not what are the other ways? I live in northeast PA, so the only choice that seems logical to me is to burn Anthracite. I have some pics from when I installed the Furnace, I will send them later

Thanks ahead of time for your help.
eng11ine
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Clayton
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: DOUG On: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:07 am

That is a pretty large chimney. You should have good volume. You probably have the capacity for two or more units with that size. You can also buy those magnet mount thermometers that stick onto the stove pipe. They are inexpensive and give you a good idea of the temperature. You should see an increase in house temperature after the returns are ducted. What size anthracite are you burning? How hot and long can you keep it burning? My house is 3700 sq.ft and built in 1889. My Clayton is good until it reaches single digits before it needs assistance. So, I know yours should be good below zero before it struggles. When I'm pushing it the stovepipe temperature before the barometric draft regulator may reach 500 degrees and becomes very hungry. But it is still better than using the gas. The barometric draft regulator should be installed at least 18" away from the flue of the stove for good operation. :idea: :)
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Stove/Furnace Make: CHUBBY, D.S.MACHINE BOILER
Stove/Furnace Model: CLAYTON 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: TimV On: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:17 am

Get that duct work hooked up so its circulates in "text book "fashion .Recycle your already once heated warm air upstairs like it is meant to be.Pull your air to your intake from from upstairs cold air return. You will be glad you did! Without circulation your blower is only creating pressure upstairs and not circulating air much and not exchanging any.
I also think you only need the forced draft for an ocassional start from scratch fire(I cheat with a hair dryer) for a few minutes it works wonders with a fresh fire but the coal does a lot better with natural dfaft and the "dancing ladies".
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Stove/Furnace Model: 480 EK

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: North Candlewood On: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:16 am

Happy New Year All.
First off I sent a PM off to eng11ine.
A couple of things come to mind here and draft is #1 and a picture of the set up would answer alot of us on lookers questions. Return air is #2 you said it is just through the basement. Is it from the floor or above the top of the unit itself?What is the temp in the basement? #3 What are your draft settings on the stove itself?
Charles
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 120
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Coal Size/Type: Nut Rice

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: eng11ine On: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:45 pm

Just to give you guys an update, I came home from work, the house was 55. I Smothered the fire so I could check the chimmney. It was clear, about a half an inch of fly ash in the pipe. I found about one half of the smoke chamber on top of the furnace was about half full. I borrowed a manometer from a friend and found my draft was around .02. adjusted that and gonna see how it does. Let's hope for the best
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Stove/Furnace Make: Clayton
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: North Candlewood On: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:53 pm

FYI my manometer is saying I'm at .05. Ash door draft control is 3 turns out. FAD is open 1/2 inch at widest point.
20 degrees outside lite wind, 70 inside
You got my PM use it if you need too I don't mind at all!
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1602
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Coal Size/Type: Nut Rice

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: DOUG On: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:35 pm

I've found when burning coal in the Clayton 1600 the fly ash tends to accumulate on the top of the firebrick heat exchanger. A couple of aggressive back and forth strokes of the damper rod (with the feed and ash door closed) will clear the problem. Yes it sounds like a definite draft issue as to why you not getting the temperatures it is capable of burning. The .02 draft is way too low for good operation and the 14 x 14 chimney is a large volume for the six inch stove pipe. That extra volume may be causing a reduction in the draft to the extent you may have to run a higher than normal barometric setting to overcome the cooling of the gases, even with the 30 foot height of your chimney. Reset your draft higher and let us know how it is performing. It should be a lot better. :idea: :) DOUG
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Stove/Furnace Make: CHUBBY, D.S.MACHINE BOILER
Stove/Furnace Model: CLAYTON 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: eng11ine On: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:27 am

Doug

After I got it burning decent, I reset my draft to .08 It seems to be working a little better. I have my FAD fan open about .5 inches and my ash door out about six spins. Got up this morning house was at 62. Doing a little better than it was

Chris
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Stove/Furnace Make: Clayton
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:59 am

Get yourself two magnetic thermometers, one for the stovepipe prior to the baro and one for the heat exchanger on your furnace. This will give you feedback to dial in your appliance and allow you to tell how healthy the fire is. I think you may want to back your draft down to about .06, you may be giving up a little to much heat to the chimney at .08.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: eng11ine On: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:30 am

Right now, My temp before the baro is aroun 250. That seems a little cold. I'll try baCKIN MY DRAFT DOWN TO .06
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Stove/Furnace Make: Clayton
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: DOUG On: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:46 am

I'm glad it's getting warmer. You may want to spin out the ash door spinner a lot more than six turns for the heat you need for the house. The ash door spinner is the throttle control for the Clayton 1600 for burning coal. Once the gases have burned of from the new charge, don't forget to close the draft fan flap so you get maximum air flow through the bottom of the coal. Turn the ash door spinner, count how many turns out and record the performance you get with the outside temperature. This way you will always be able to repeat the results consistently. I know if you get the stovepipe temperature before the barometric draft regulator to 350-450 degrees, your house should be up to temperature with the cold weather you are experiencing. If after a few hours and you have the ash door spinner open all the way out, the stovepipe before the draft regulator still doesn't reach 350-450 degrees and you have a good burning bed of coals, it is time to increase the barometric draft regulator setting. I personally like a setting of .07 to .08. This allows me to throttle back the ash door spinner and sucks the air through the coals harder. I've found due to the V shape of the firebox, the ashes build up faster and needs a little more vacuum to keep it burning good. But, I burn buckwheat size coal. It packs tight and strong draft is needed to keep it going. My chimney is 7" round and 37' high. Every situation is a little different but the procedures are the same. Try this out, be patient, say one or two turns out at a time, wait 30-60 minutes or more for each adjustment, record the results and let us know what you find out. :idea: :) DOUG
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Stove/Furnace Make: CHUBBY, D.S.MACHINE BOILER
Stove/Furnace Model: CLAYTON 1600

Re: Clayton 1600 Problems

PostBy: eng11ine On: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:02 am

Well, went to bed the house was 68. Got up this morning the house was 64. Not going to complaine about that. I ran the draft spinner at aroung 6 turns. Tonight I'm going to give it a little more air. Norfth Candlewood seems to have gotten me going in the right direstion. thaks for all your help

Chris

P.S. My Chimmney us not 14 x 14, that was the first brush I bought after measuring at the top. It is 8x8
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Stove/Furnace Make: Clayton
Stove/Furnace Model: 1600

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