Blower DIED !

Blower DIED !

PostBy: JimC On: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:24 am

Just fired this up in mid Oct (new) and all was well till tonite when I notice the blower in the hopper wasn't on :-(
checked the Coaltrol and it was set to 'auto mode' so I moved it to manual and all I got was a hum,the fan doesn't spin freely,once or twice before back in Nov I noticed the fan not running gave it a little nudge and it started running again but not so lucky this time.
So is this a common problem or do you think I just got a bad blower fan? 9 weeks is well short of how long I thought I'd go without a problem!
And to really make things nice is my oil furnace won't fire up either,I think its mad cause I just run it once a week for 5-10 minutes just to keep things moving.... 22 deg outside and no heat ... it's Sunday and Monday is a cold 24 hrs. away till I can call Jerry ... as my buddy sez when something in a stoker breaks or the power goes out it's just a big cold black box.

Has anyone tried an alternative blower setup? It always seemed to me that the hopper would get pretty hot sometimes and I wondered how good that would be over a period of time for the blower motor. 9 weeks :( ...I'm starting to think I may have to fabricate some tubes on either side of the blower housing and cut two round holes in the side of the hopper box so the motor has cooler air feeding/cooling it.
JimC
 
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: WNY On: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:38 am

I assume you mean the Combustion Blower? when you say Hopper blower? I don;t get cutting holes in the hopper box OR tube to keep them cool? I wouldn't think you should have to do anything, they have been making these stoves for quite a while and I don't think its a heat problem.

Did you try and plug the blower in directly to an outlet? Make sure it's not the CoalTrol? Normally you can remove with a few bolts, clean it up, oil it, and they normally come back to life.

My hyfire is 4-5 years(I think, bought it used) and haven't replaced the blowers.

Are you getting fines from the stoker unit on the blower? If so, you have to keep the blower cleaned and oiled. I put a piece of metal/cover over the top of mine, to help keep the fines that sometimes get kicked out of the stoker onto the blower.

Get a hold of Jerry at Leisure Line, he can get you one out pretty quick.
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: hell fire On: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:02 am

you may bring it back to life by taking off 3 small bolts on my pioneer. cleaning cage with tooth brush and lube. i use amsoil hi temp spray syn. grease.
then plug in outlet see if it runs free. may work good luck.
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: JimC On: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:28 pm

Well I got the fan running again,moved the shaft back and forth and it lossened up,put a small dab of oil on the end of the shaft.There wasn' really any dirt on anything so I don't know ? I'm still guessing it gets a little bit too hot for it's own good.But after putting everything back together now the control module doesn't go on,replaced the fuse didn't make a difference,so who knows !
On the plus side I got my home furnace up and running about 8am and finnaly got to go to bed for a whole 2-1/2 hours before havind to getting up :cry:
I want to thank everyone for their help Thanks! Jim
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: hell fire On: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:16 am

hi jim problem could be with fuse holder not making contact in socket i had that problem before. take out fuse holder and bend tabs out a little
to make better contact. ned
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: cmperry On: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:07 am

JimC wrote:Just fired this up in mid Oct (new) and all was well till tonite when I notice the blower in the hopper wasn't on :-(
checked the Coaltrol and it was set to 'auto mode' so I moved it to manual and all I got was a hum,the fan doesn't spin freely,once or twice before back in Nov I noticed the fan not running gave it a little nudge and it started running again but not so lucky this time.
So is this a common problem or do you think I just got a bad blower fan? 9 weeks is well short of how long I thought I'd go without a problem!
And to really make things nice is my oil furnace won't fire up either,I think its mad cause I just run it once a week for 5-10 minutes just to keep things moving.... 22 deg outside and no heat ... it's Sunday and Monday is a cold 24 hrs. away till I can call Jerry ... as my buddy sez when something in a stoker breaks or the power goes out it's just a big cold black box.

Has anyone tried an alternative blower setup? It always seemed to me that the hopper would get pretty hot sometimes and I wondered how good that would be over a period of time for the blower motor. 9 weeks :( ...I'm starting to think I may have to fabricate some tubes on either side of the blower housing and cut two round holes in the side of the hopper box so the motor has cooler air feeding/cooling it.

I just noticed this older post with a similar problem. Wonder if there was a fix? I'm having same problem
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:37 pm

cmperry wrote:
JimC wrote:Just fired this up in mid Oct (new) and all was well till tonite when I notice the blower in the hopper wasn't on :-(
checked the Coaltrol and it was set to 'auto mode' so I moved it to manual and all I got was a hum,the fan doesn't spin freely,once or twice before back in Nov I noticed the fan not running gave it a little nudge and it started running again but not so lucky this time.
So is this a common problem or do you think I just got a bad blower fan? 9 weeks is well short of how long I thought I'd go without a problem!
And to really make things nice is my oil furnace won't fire up either,I think its mad cause I just run it once a week for 5-10 minutes just to keep things moving.... 22 deg outside and no heat ... it's Sunday and Monday is a cold 24 hrs. away till I can call Jerry ... as my buddy sez when something in a stoker breaks or the power goes out it's just a big cold black box.

Has anyone tried an alternative blower setup? It always seemed to me that the hopper would get pretty hot sometimes and I wondered how good that would be over a period of time for the blower motor. 9 weeks :( ...I'm starting to think I may have to fabricate some tubes on either side of the blower housing and cut two round holes in the side of the hopper box so the motor has cooler air feeding/cooling it.

I just noticed this older post with a similar problem. Wonder if there was a fix? I'm having same problem


cmperry, This may help with your issue if its on startup. Here is part of the article and the link to the rest of it . "Convection fan start boost: Whenever the convection fan is turned on it will run at 100% for a few seconds before slowing down to the speed called for by conditions. This overcomes motor "stick" when trying to start at low speeds yet still allows setting as low a minimum running speed as the motor will support (via CFM, in the list below)." V3 firmware features
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: cmperry On: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:02 pm

thanks for the info. My blowers had been running for a couple hours when they quit.
cmperry
 
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: cmperry On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:43 am

JimC wrote:Just fired this up in mid Oct (new) and all was well till tonite when I notice the blower in the hopper wasn't on :-(
checked the Coaltrol and it was set to 'auto mode' so I moved it to manual and all I got was a hum,the fan doesn't spin freely,once or twice before back in Nov I noticed the fan not running gave it a little nudge and it started running again but not so lucky this time.
So is this a common problem or do you think I just got a bad blower fan? 9 weeks is well short of how long I thought I'd go without a problem!
And to really make things nice is my oil furnace won't fire up either,I think its mad cause I just run it once a week for 5-10 minutes just to keep things moving.... 22 deg outside and no heat ... it's Sunday and Monday is a cold 24 hrs. away till I can call Jerry ... as my buddy sez when something in a stoker breaks or the power goes out it's just a big cold black box.

Has anyone tried an alternative blower setup? It always seemed to me that the hopper would get pretty hot sometimes and I wondered how good that would be over a period of time for the blower motor. 9 weeks :( ...I'm starting to think I may have to fabricate some tubes on either side of the blower housing and cut two round holes in the side of the hopper box so the motor has cooler air feeding/cooling it.

Does anyone know if JimC found a solution to this problem? I've noticed LL hasn't responded to either of the 2 threads that involve this problem (maybe there is already an answer out there and I'm missing it). I had this happen to me and would really like to find help/answer before winter. I read about increasing CFM setting but that seemed to be a low speed problem..mine were operating at high FR. Thanks
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: Jerry & Karen On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:55 pm

Cmperry,
Call me at the shop ASAP and I'll try to solve the problem.
570.752.1811
Jerry
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:21 am

Got a working theory on this one. I have my Pocono TV in the basement and hence blower noise is not a problem. I ran the dist blower though the coalrol at first but now I connected it straight to a pure sine wave 120v source. Of course it is now running at 100% all the time and that is no problem in my application. I've noticed that the motor housing is cooler (touch only) and quieter and the motor seems much happier. Remember, if it has tits, pistons or computer control boards, it needs a lot of nurturing. The first two are trouble whatever you do but the last one can be controlled by good power.
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Re: Blower DIED !

PostBy: Matthaus On: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:31 am

cmperry, status of your issue please, we want to make sure it is solved. :)
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