New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:19 pm

I'm no bituminous expert, but one question hasn't been asked that might be important.... what size is the coal? A stoker (stoker means automatic) needs a particular size. If your coal is large chunks a stoker might not be something that you can use.

Infloor for sure! Outdoor boiler fur sure! I say that because bituminous isn't as clean as anthracite.

Maybe part of this story is how handy you are and how much work/money you want to put towards the project. Maybe a hand fed and a large hot water storage tank? Just dreaming out loud. If you can't automate it, but can't be there to tend it, maybe once every so often you have a big burn & heat a huge tank of water. That water would heat the house for several days. If you have 10 ton a year and it only takes 5 to do the job, what would it matter if you burnt 7 or 8 and lost 2 or 3 to inefficiency?

Interesting.... keep us posted & best of luck to you.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: rockwood On: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:56 pm

Coal_Miner_76 wrote: As an employee I am entitled to 10 tons of free stoker coal. (about 11,500-12,000 BTU coal).

He says it's stoker coal.
Stoker coal (soft coal) size is usually 1-3/4" down to about 1/2" and is usually oiled to keep dust down and aid gravity flow in hoppers etc.

My brother in law worked in a coal mine a few years back and could get free coal. Would be nice to have no heating bills beyond installation costs and the electricity used. :(
rockwood
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Stokermatic coal furnace
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Rockwood Stoveworks Circulator
Baseburners & Antiques: Malleable/Monarch Range
Coal Size/Type: Soft coal: Lump and stoker (slack coal)

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:14 pm

rockwood wrote:He says it's stoker coal.


Ohhhhh, That didn't register in my head as a size. Well, then, see what you can find for a bit stoker & go for it! Don't give a big tank another thought.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined


Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: Coal_Miner_76 On: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:11 pm

Thanks for all the ideas! The raw run of mine coal is washed and crushed to minus 1 inch in a coal wash plant at the mine. The ash and sulfur is very low after the coal is crushed and then washed. The coal is not coated in oil. I plan on building a 3 car garage with an apartment above the 3 car garage and a few years down the road build a home next to the garage. Many of the comments recommend placing the boiler outside. What about building a separate room in the garage to place the boiler, and building a coal storage bin on the other side of the foundation with an access window or coal chute from the coal bin to the boiler room? Just an idea, i've never done anything like this. I'm building the entire home so lets get creative. Keep the comments coming!

Thanks: Parker
Coal_Miner_76
 

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: rockwood On: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:32 pm

Coal_Miner_76 wrote:Thanks for all the ideas! Many of the comments recommend placing the boiler outside. What about building a separate room in the garage to place the boiler, and building a coal storage bin on the other side of the foundation with an access window or coal chute from the coal bin to the boiler room?

Thanks: Parker

I think you're on the right track. If I were building a new home(on a large property like you have)I would have a boiler (with automatic stoker) in a separate structure near the house to keep the coal dust, ash, etc. away from the house. I would use in floor radiant heating in the house as was mentioned earlier.
Since you get free coal you should heat your domestic water as well as heat the house.
This link shows what another member of this forum has set up.http://nepacrossroads.com/about8677.html#p87953
rockwood
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Stokermatic coal furnace
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Rockwood Stoveworks Circulator
Baseburners & Antiques: Malleable/Monarch Range
Coal Size/Type: Soft coal: Lump and stoker (slack coal)

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: grizzer On: Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:51 am

OK coal miner 76 my name is Lonnie I live just east of parker Colorado I have heated with bit coal for several seasons now and love it it burns longer puts outore heat and lasts longer between stokings my pH num is 7206355342 I have a hearthstone soapstone wood burning stove and when first started using coal had few obs to overcome it is a airtight stove but has a intake from bottom so works very well I did build a coal basket for it and it allows the coal to set above the air intake and ash to drop into ash pan below. This year having trouble getting coal from paonia construction com and am wondering about coal availability but it is much cheaper than wood and any other form of heat also I am heating about thirty five hundred square feet upstairs on less than four tons of lump coal a year please call so we may talk e mail is grizzlly@gmail.com look forward Lonnie. Also reading your comments I am a licensed general contractor retired but would definitely like to help you design something to fit your needs I have resources to call on and exp to rely on am positive we can design a system that will work if wanted with lump coal hopper design has to be much different because of the vaulitillaty of the coal but have designed a couple units in aspen that once are fired up pretty much manage heat output amounts of coal and demand for heat I have put many hours of the in research and would be willing to help out yo build a viable system that can pass epa standards as well the stove I use is as said converted it will produce entire nights heat without adding during night and still restoke in morning and do so with very light smoke from stack once rolling you get no smoke out of stack but can smell coal oder if standing down wind let's talk it sounds like a fun in trusting project. And also I am retired and free I am a partial para vary capable car acc injury spinal cord few years back but enjoy doing these types of things.
grizzer
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: stove
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hearthstone
Coal Size/Type: lump coal bitumous
Other Heating: wood

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:09 am

Hi Grizzer, welcome to the forum! Good to get another westerner's experience with bit coal on here. Coal miner hasn't visited since 2009 so you probably won't get a response from him.

Stick around though and join the fun!
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: LoschStoker On: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:10 pm

This furnace/boiler is designed to burn crappy coal, the owner of the co. had a different name but I don't remember what he called it.
I'm thinking it's in the 6000- 7000 btu range.
Their web site http://maertensmfg.com/ doesn't show any pics.

http://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?s ... nav_next=1
(You can only look at this 3 times then you have to sign up)


You can call this guy and see what he says.
LoschStoker
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: (New) Warm Morning 400A
Other Heating: Yukon Polar-Eagle II Multi Furnace
Stove/Furnace Make: Losch 350 130k BTU's
Stove/Furnace Model: DS Stoves 1500WH Short Lid

Re: New Home in Colorado, Considering Coal for heat

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:01 pm

I would like to add that bit coal is subject to spontaneous combustion in storage. Proper storage should be investigated.

I do remember that steam ships took special precautions. Joseph Conrad wrote a story of a hard luck ship that lost a battle with a coal fire and the battleship Maine is now thought to be the victim of a coal explosion.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea