Can Obama pull it off

Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:14 am

Sorry, you can't blame the pig fart tax on Obama. The story was around on December 4, 2008. The geniuses at Bush's EPA hatched the idea.


http://www.ksn.com/news/local/35566049.html
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: efo141 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:07 am

Complete Heat wrote:EFO,

National debt, and budget deficit are two different things. The USA went from being the worlds largest creditor nation to the worlds largest debtor nation. There has been a national debt since the late sixties. Clinton said he left office with a balanced budget, which is a load of horse dung. Bush has done an even worse job than Clinton in the economic department. But the banking crisis is the result of laws passed by the clinton administration and their fellow dems.

Mike
You are right when Clinton left 5.7 trillion. I believe that number has doubled since George W took over. There was a budget surplus when Clinton left. Since 1945, there have been seven presidential terms held by Democrats and nine held by Republicans. During every term held by a Democratic president since this time, that president has reduced the national debt as a percentage of GDP. So who are the spenders?
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: TimV On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:29 am

Rule #1 : YOU CANT TRUST A POLITICIAN
Rule #2 : WHEN YOU THINK YOU CAN REVERT TO RULE #1
The sqwaking talking TV seeking media hounds ...(Top Dogs in Democratic Congress) Know full well we are in a huge "Bucket Of Shi*."
Look at how they are posturing trying to set a timeline way on down the road like into February or March or latter.
They know they cant write all their benafators into the new Billion $$$$$ Boodnoggle :shock:
in just a short little week or two. It takes time to hide all that pork.
Why they probably have not even opened 5% of the requests from contributors yet.
Dont forget it takes time to grease those political wheels. dont expect much.
I really think Obama may actually be on the "level"but the rest of the crooks from around the nation are not :shock:
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:38 am

OldAA130 wrote:So instead of posting over and over again meaningless dribble about your version of what you think America really is, attend a city council or township meeting... call your state representative and tell him you are opposed to (or for) up and coming legislation (such as the new gun/ammunition laws)... call your us congressman and tell him that if he votes for pork you vote for someone else. Attend a school board meeting and tell them that you pay enough taxes and the $11 million astro turf for the varsity football team can wait.

Vote. This is the single most important thing you can do to make a difference in this country. Vote your party lines if you are really that lazy... or look at what the politicians say and more importantly DO when there is no election at stake. Then decide who deserves your vote.



Nice post Tom! :cheers:

(I write Bill Delahunt so often that he checks with me b4 voting on anything!! :lol: ....Not really but it doesn't hurt to let these guys know what you think)
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: OldAA130 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:05 am

OldAA130 wrote:
Nice post Tom! :cheers:


:cheers: right back atcha...
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: OldAA130 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:07 am

I want to start a poll...

How many have somehow communicated with politicians... local, state, and federal... in the last six months???
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: TimV On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:17 am

I have !
Dont bother with emails that just seem to never get anyplace...maybe we should hire spammers to contact congress?
When ever I call the office all I get are the receptionists if that lucky. Just once did I get put thru to the floor sweeper I think. (Vote no to Banker bailout)
Hillary sends you a real nice form email back.
The only time they bother with us is at election time.
I called senator Schummers ofice at 3:45 EST and got a recording to call back at regular business hours!!
Hillary at least has a machine but nobody calls you back.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:33 am

TimV wrote:Dont bother with emails that just seem to never get anyplace..


Every politician has employees who keep track of all emails, phone calls, etc from constituents to see which way "The Wind Is Blowing"......ANY communication with your reps is recorded & important! If they get enough input from their constituents, they will take action.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: OldAA130 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:47 am

TimV wrote:The only time they bother with us is at election time.


See, now we are getting to the crux of the problem.

This representative republic was supposed to be a "government by the people, for the people", not "by the politicians for themselves and their cronies".

In my mind, when the government fears the people, you have freedom... but when the people fear the government, you have tyrrany.

From Dictionary.com...
Tyrrany - In modern usage, a tyrant is a single ruler holding absolute power over a state or within an organization. The term carries modern connotations of a harsh and cruel ruler who places his or her own interests or the interests of a small oligarchy over the best interests of the general population which the tyrant governs or controls. However, in the classical sense, the word simply means one who has taken power by their own means as opposed to hereditary or constitutional power (and generally without the modern connotations). This mode of rule is referred to as tyranny. Many individual rulers or government officials are accused of tyranny, with the label almost always a matter of controversy.

The word derives from Latin tyrannus meaning "illegitimate ruler", and ultimately from Greek τύραννος tyrannos, meaning "sovereign, master, or despot", although the latter was not pejorative and applicable to both good and bad leaders alike.

Historical forms...
In ancient Greece, tyrants were influential opportunists that came to power by securing the support of different factions of a deme.


So tell me what each branch of government has done lately that really benefited the population. Bailouts? Like giving more crack cocaine to an addict. Auto industry regulation? Forcing manufacturers to produce something nobody wants... seems pretty stupid to me. The war? lots of controversy there... some think we are safer over the past 7 years. Some just want to moan about the billions being spent (but don't seem to mention the trillions given to bankers... Hmmm). How bout education... wow, we could start a whole new thread discussion all that's wrong there. Maybe environmental policy... let's run away with CO2 limits on manufacturing and bring down the economy and capitalism... all in the name of the myth "man made" global warming.

Does this sound like ligitimate governing?

I won't go so far as to say that our leaders fit this definition of tyrant... but I really don't think that we are that far off. Tell me when a politician put the people's interests before his own. Barney Frank? Sweet deal... let's ask the boyfriend who's interests were served.

I like to think that we are more like ancient Rome right before its fall. The populous was fat dumb and happy. As long as they had food and entertainment... (TGI Fridays and NFL)... they didn't give a hoot what the politicians did. Besides, as long as losers like Murtha keep bringing home the pork, folks will keep on voting them in.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:58 pm

I am black listed at all of my reps offices. I call all of the time, and I vote. I do not even get the courtesy of a response any more. I generally vote against the incumbent because they never vote the constitution. We had one, and only one good Senator here in NH... it was Bob Smith. The Republican party got rid of him because he spoke out against his party.

EFO,

The "surplus" Clinton left was a result of taking long term debt that was at a higher interest rate and converting it to short term notes at a lower interest rate. I do not defend either party, as there is no difference between them. Bush is a Chimpanzee, and just in the past month we have added two TRILLION dollars to the national debt. Bush is a fool, and criminal, Clinton is a traitor and a criminal. Obama is in way over his head. Think of our country as an airplane that is in an inverted flat spin, and the throttle on the airplane represents the US Mint printing presses. The only way to get out of a flat spin is to pull the throttle to idle, failure to do so will result with a sudden stoppage into terra firma. Obama wants to drive the throttle through the firewall. We are doomed, and all of these conversations are for naught. The politicians know that there is no out at this point, and they are robbing the country blind before it crashes and burns.

Mike
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:35 pm

I have all my Congressmen on speed dial. :D If I am listening to the radio(basically, all day) and I hear something that makes me pull my hair out, I call. And I have e-mail folders for all of them so I can save all their finest form letters! :)
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:09 pm

Of all the forms of communication you can have with your legislators, the letter is the best by far. Phone calls are a waste of time, really, because (a) you're kidding yourself if you think you're going to be talking to somebody who's gonna change anything for you, and (b) staffing up to handle all those calls costs money -- that we all end up paying in taxes. You can make a good case that calls are actually counterproductive.

And emails are too often virtually spam; they're too often form letters that interest groups send to their listservs and which are the thoughts only of the one person who originally drafted them. And all the legislators know it and discount them accordingly.

You want your elected rep to know how you feel? Take a SINGLE sheet of paper out and write your position on it. Invest in a stamp and send it.

Tangible and concise. That's the best way to be heard.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:22 pm

As I`ve been reading thru a lot of these post I can`t help but wonder what a lot of people are still doing in this country. Everyone is still free to leave, I thought majority rules in an election. I don`t like the electorial college but Obama won either way give the man a chance, you have no choice after the fact anyway so either get with the program or leave. Just sounds like a bunch of sore lossers. The man is already getting blamed for doing things without even being in office. That alone is some kind of record. All we can do is the best that we can & pray everything works out. Or leave.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:23 pm

stockingfull wrote:Of all the forms of communication you can have with your legislators, the letter is the best by far.


I agree with you but, let's face facts......we are all lazy & usually not willing to take the time to send snail mail! ;)

Even though phone calls & emails are not usually heard/read by the politician him/herself, you better believe a secretary somewhere is tasked with filling in a form noting how many calls/emails they are receiving & what their constituent's opinions are. It really does make a difference when totaled up.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:28 pm

samhill wrote:As I`ve been reading thru a lot of these post I can`t help but wonder what a lot of people are still doing in this country. Everyone is still free to leave, I thought majority rules in an election. I don`t like the electorial college but Obama won either way give the man a chance, you have no choice after the fact anyway so either get with the program or leave. Just sounds like a bunch of sore lossers. The man is already getting blamed for doing things without even being in office. That alone is some kind of record. All we can do is the best that we can & pray everything works out. Or leave.


The "majority" of Americans aren't "smarter than a 5th grader" so putting your faith in that group is part of the problem. And I've looked into moving to other countries but didn't for two reasons. One, most places are more socialist than we are, and two, the politicians are the a-holes, why should I move?
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