Can Obama pull it off

Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:28 pm

coaledsweat wrote:
jpete wrote:I thought GWB overstepped his power as CIC. I guess Lincoln got that beat.


And I thought this thread was about Obama pulling something off.


Guess we got a little off track there. :)

I don't personally believe there is any difference in the R's and D's. I think the goal is a NAU and later a one world government.

Do I think Obama can pull that off? Yes, I think he will very effectively move the ball forward on that agenda.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: efo141 On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:23 pm

hugg wrote:I agree, however we are looking more and more like Mexico. Middle class is disappearing. The middle class is what makes this country great. Obama is clearly more sympathetic to the middle class.
Not only Obama, all Dems. I do not agree with all Dem. issues but how can i vote for a party that trying to knock me down. The trickle down thing does not work for me. I can not afford $ to be a Rep.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: snooze913 On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:22 pm

The total for the new package is at 825 billion. They asked an Analyist why it is not the Trillion that Obama has mentioned and the Analyist said after all the add-ons (pork) it will be up to the expected Trillion or more. I guess pork is when the bridge/road repairs/ wooden arrow makers/ etc... is in a district that doesn't benefit you. If it benefits you it is stimulus.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:37 pm

snooze913 wrote:I guess pork is when the bridge/road repairs/ wooden arrow makers/ etc... is in a district that doesn't benefit you. If it benefits you it is stimulus.


Exactly. One man's "pork" is another man's job, or infrastructure. :smoke:

Nothing's ever as simple as it seems during campaign season.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:47 pm

So called "pork" is a red herring. The government collects money. It is the House of Representative's JOB to APPORTION the money that comes in. Anyone who claims they can "eliminate pork" is an idiot or a liar.

If they want to eliminate things like adding unrelated EPA laws onto Coast Guard funding bills, that would be one thing. But I think D.C. would shut down if they couldn't make each other look bad. If they can't say "The president hates the Coast Guard because he vetoed my bill!" and never telling anyone it was because of some BS that was tacked on at the last minute, they wouldn't know how to get anything done.

And finally, please, anyone who thinks there is a difference between R's and D's, look again.

D's= Tax and spend

R's= Borrow and spend.

And now Obama is continuing the Bush legacy of borrow and spend and telling us he "has" to do it.

No one ever taxed their way to prosperity or borrowed their way out of debt.....
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:56 pm

Keep on buying gold and silver. Their value is inflation proof. When the U.S. dollar becomes worthless gold and silver will still have value. So go on Obama spend away, I will keep my money. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:17 pm

jpete wrote:What law required Lincoln to "save the Union"?

Every president takes an oath to "defend the Constitution" and Lincoln made Bush look like a piker.

Every state voluntarily joined the union, and Lincoln made sure no state could voluntarily withdraw. Who gave him that power?


Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:00 am

Some required reading for further discussion :

The spending plan......http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:43 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
jpete wrote:What law required Lincoln to "save the Union"?

Every president takes an oath to "defend the Constitution" and Lincoln made Bush look like a piker.

Every state voluntarily joined the union, and Lincoln made sure no state could voluntarily withdraw. Who gave him that power?


Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.


And where in all that does it say they can't secede from the US?

The legislatures of each state voted to VOLUNTARILY join the union. Are you saying that is a one way street? Once they join the union, they become owned by the union?

Where in the Constitution was that part of the deal?
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: acesover On: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:28 pm

Can Obama pull it off. ........ no.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:45 pm

acesover wrote:Can Obama pull it off. ........ no.


He's already pulled it (the wool) over many poor slob's eyes. The education they're about to get is going to be epic.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:01 pm

The market collapse and the "socialist bailouts" all happened before he was elected. In fact, they're a very big reason he was elected.

So, whether he can "pull if off" or not, he sure didn't make this mess.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:07 pm

Congress made this mess and since Obama rarley voted to avoid having his feet held to any fire, for once I have to agree with S'full.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:17 pm

coalkirk wrote:Congress made this mess and since Obama rarley voted to avoid having his feet held to any fire, for once I have to agree with S'full.


Some of us put him on ignore a while ago. Fixed up the signal to noise ratio.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:40 pm

Aw hell, I'll go further, since the S/N ratio won't be adversely affected for the ostriches on the board. :whistle:

This mess was created by an under-regulated "free" market, which fostered rapacious greed that ultimately took the form of bizarre "tranches" and even abject ponzi-scheme stealing. While I don't think that environment was created by Congress, it can fairly be said that Congress did little to stop it. (Nor could it, really, with veto threats and the modern 60-vote Senate.)

But all of that happened way before Obama got to D.C.; it started with the "de-industrialization" of America in Reagan's time. Now we call it "globalization," which is market-speak for "we don't build anything anymore."

That "free market" party's over. That you can be sure Obama will indeed "pull off."
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