Can Obama pull it off

Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: kootch88 On: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:24 pm

Just to name a few academics: Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, T. Roosevelt, Wilson, Nixon and on and on. A great deal of the founding fathers were the wealthiest, best educated men of the time, not the so called common man. That doesn't mean the common man did not and will not have a place in solving problems, but without the so called academics we probably wouldn't have a country at all. Obama probably can be classified as an academic too, but his experience as a Senator does not make him unqualified. There have been numerous house and senate members who have made good Presidents. What experience did Lincoln have prior to becoming arguably the greatest President ever? What about Washington, a man that faced as fragile a state of the nation as there ever was? He was a general. Good experience, I will admit, but how many Generals have made effective Presidents? Washington alone is probably the only one. Eisenhower is not considered a particularly effective president on the whole. Not bad, just nothing special, and he was a great general as considered by most who understand the complexity of his responsibilities.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: coalmeister On: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:35 pm

Look at all the educated mega-brains in Wall street, ninety nine percent of them never saw the meltdown coming, but regular guy, uneducated Glen Beck did. How does that work??? I will take experienced regular people, over Washington brains any day, look what these morons got us into now.

Now all we need is another Kennedy in the Senate to spend my hard earned money just to suppress their guilt for never having earned a dime.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: kootch88 On: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:37 pm

coalmeister wrote:Look at all the educated mega-brains in Wall street, ninety nine percent of them never saw the meltdown coming, but regular guy, uneducated Glen Beck did. How does that work??? I will take experienced regular people, over Washington brains any day, look what these morons got us into now.

Now all we need is another Kennedy in the Senate to spend my hard earned money just to suppress their guilt for never having earned a dime.


Joe the plumber, who is now a corespondent, would have been the answer I guess.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:53 pm

Obama has a great similarity, actually, to Lincoln. Smart, absolutely no family "pedigree" or privilege, lawyer, wordsmith, very little political experience but excellent instincts and common sense. And a man who thrives on the forensics of examining opposing views. (And remember, Obama has gotten where he is despite being bi-racial -- anybody here think that hasn't been a crucible?)

And Lincoln's time was no picnic either. He was against slavery but wavered at first about emancipation. Not only was there the war but it didn't go well for quite a while (Gettysburg and the Draft Riots in NYC were in July 1863) and he was vilified by both the press and his opponents, including Gen. George McClellan, whom he sacked and who then ran against him -- and nearly won -- in 1864.

Yet, because he did what he had to do to keep the Union together in spite of popular opinion at times, he's considered by most to be the greatest President.

Obama is a student of both Presidents and the crises they have faced. None of us will be happy with him every day, and some won't be any day, but he'll do just fine because, as the old saying goes, he's studied history so he's less likely to repeat the parts he doesn't want to.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: hugg On: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:56 pm

"beware of the smartest man in the room".... vs. the dumbest man in the room to should be the decision maker????????????????? Blaaaaaahaaaaaa. WTF kind of logic is that? :wtf: bop2
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: kootch88 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:23 am

Here are the only Presidents who were uneducated beyond a primary education:

William Harrison Also the first not to have studied law.
Zachary Taylor Major general, not particularly literate
Andrew Johnson Self Taught, probably the ultimate common man to become President
U.S. Grant General Could be considered a common man despite attending West Point
Woodrow Wilson Probably can be considered the ultimate Intellectual
Warren Harding Newspaperman, had an affair with good friend, considered poorly educated
Herbert Hoover Mining Engineer, very intelligent, looked on as an organizational genius for work during WWI
Truman No college, but pretty well read and interested in many topics
Eisenhower West Point grad, General
LBJ Teacher, very smart man and perhaps one of the most ambitious ever to be President
Jimmy Carter Annapolis Grad, Naval Commander
Ronald Reagan Actor, college grad
George Bush College Grad in Economics ( Vodoo economics)
GWB College grad, MBA

It is intersting to me that over half of the Presidents who did not study or practice law served in the last one hundred years.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:50 am

It all comes down to the government not following the Constitution. Read the Federalist Papers, all of the warnings are in there about central banks, fiat currencies, income taxes, etc, etc, etc...... Unfortunately politicians for the past 90 years have wandered away from the Constitution, and the current crop of politicians ignore it entirely. Show me one Congressman (besides Ron Paul) who even considered whether these "bail outs" are even Constitutional. The current mess that we are in goes back before Bush (Clinton signed it into law, and even the NY Times, where all the news that fits they print, wrote an article critical of that law, saying how if there were the slightest down turn in the economy that the banking industry would collapse), when mortages were being handed out to people who would not otherwise qualify for a loan, whether it be income, down payment or credit scores. Then the interest only loans with balloon payments at the end of five years... who could not see that disaster looming? So we had all of these loans out there that could not be paid back, so what does the govt. want to do to fix the problem they created? Of course, print up TRILLIONS of dollars and issue them as "loans" that cannot be paid back. Brilliant!

Obama is going to continue this country down the road of Socialism that our current "chimp in charge" has started us down unless the people take a stand. Doing nothing, and letting market forces take care of this mess is the best thing that could happen. Yes, there will be some pain, but letting the govt. try to print and tax us out of the ditch they drove us into is going to have consequences far more reaching, and far more painful than the former. To those that are willing to overlook the Constitution because "something" has to be done, you are digging the grave for yourself and your offspring. It is time for people to read their history books. What is happening here and now has happened in the past (in other countries), the only difference now is that it is on a much larger scale and it is happening in a country that had a nearly perfect document written to prevent these very things from happening.

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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:58 am

snooze913 wrote:I just watched President Elect Obama's speech on what needs to be done. I agree on most of his points especially that this is a dire time calling for a new attitude towards government. However I think Congress is like a drug addict who can't give up pork and will commit selfdestruction to satisfy thier jones.


What points do you agree with and define the "new attitude" please.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:04 am

The new attitude should be to go back to the "old attitude"....... OBEY THE FREAKIN CONSTITUTION and get out of our private lives and our wallets!!!!!!!
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: kootch88 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:10 am

Complete Heat wrote:The new attitude should be to go back to the "old attitude"....... OBEY THE FREAKIN CONSTITUTION and get out of our private lives and our wallets!!!!!!!

Compete heat, I most definitely agree with the government getting out of our private lives. But the Constitution has been interpreted since day 1. The whole Louisiana purchase was unconstitutional and he was a founding father. Though I disagree with many of the Bush administration actions, until it is deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court, it is perfectly legal and constitutional. We keep talking about going back to the constitution, but the very group of men who founded the constitution stretched the original intent in the following years. So when do we go back to that idilic time of constitutional respect? The document is a ever changing base, as it was intended. That is the very reason for the Supreme court.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:24 am

Bush signed the campaign finance reform into law, but he also stated that " I do not think it is constitutional, but I will sign it anyway". What about the oath he took to defend the constitution? The Supreme Court cannot step in until someone brings a suit against govt. With these bail outs going on a citizen filed suit against the government, saying that it was not constitutional, and the Federal Court dismissed the case, stating that he had "no standing".

The Constitution is not ever changing, what is ever changing is how willing we are as a society to trample it. The Supreme Court at this point is a joke. Look at some of their recent decisions (private property rights were stripped away), and cases that were not heard (right to petition clause of the first amendment can now be ignored too... actually make that the entire first amendment[campaign finance reform, or the right to shut up dissenters was found to be constitutional]).

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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: snooze913 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:34 am

The points I agreed with are that any further stimulus needs to be free of pork and Congress needs to look past opportunities to get relected everytime a Bill passes their desk. I know that the game for politicians is to get their picture in the paper holding the large cardboard check with all those zeros on it so the locals can gush what a great person they have in Washington and I want money coming back to my district too but If your going to do something like what Obama is proposing then it needs to be about trying to get money flowing again. The jerks who got the TARP $ are sitting on it because it was handed out with out oversight or rules. We just gave the Auto makers $ why? so they can build cars that no one will buy. That makes no sense to me. I don't agree on his plan to have our taxes reduced by about $10 a week. We need to raise consumer confidence somehow. I must admit Obama going on TV and saying this could go on for a long time doesn't raise my confidence much so I can say for sure I don't agree with everything he said. BTW I voted for McCain for many reasons but I liked his stance against special interest groups and pork. Right now we got Obama ready to take over the driver's seat and we are in a mess so I'm hoping he has a plan that at least gets things going in the right direction. A friend of mine likes to quote a comedian "A reccesion is when someone else gets laid off a depression is when you get laid off" Well I guess I'm hoping Obama has a majic hat with rabbit because I'm gettting laid off March 31st.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: hugg On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:42 am

I hope you get called back to work soon Snooze.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:53 am

Snooze, we all hope this turns around for you, and for everybody here who's been on the wrong end of this.

But let's look at how the Constitution's been "trampled." Lessee, it all started when Teddy Roosevelt "trampled" it by projecting American military power around the globe. Wilson ignored it again when he got us involved in WWI. Then, after Hoover "followed" it and we descended into the worst Depression in history, FDR raped it again to get us out of it. And then we won WWII and, because Presidents like Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon and Reagan defied it during the Cold War, we became the world's only superpower.

I suppose all of you Constitutional scholars wish we all lived back in the "gay 90's," when the Constitution was "followed." :woot:
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Don_t_Say On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:53 am

Okay, here's the fix! If I were in charge I would do three things.

1. Forgive all taxes on existing 401K and IRA,s.
2. Forgive all school loans.
3. Prosecute these people who are selling the American people pills to make their members larger. (thieves)


Might cost more than a trillion, but the American people would run out and "Buy a New Car" :o

The stock market would be back to 10,000 in two months.

It'll never happen, but remember where you saw these ideas first. :D
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