Can Obama pull it off

Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:53 pm

kootch88 wrote:Obama is trying to manufacture his way out in high tech energy sources, infrastructure building and other internal job creation. He may fail, but at least he is trying to do so in long term solutions rather than the quick fix.


Don't you just love the anti-Obama people?........The guy hasn't even taken office yet & they are complaining!
How about this for an idea..............Give him a chance b4 you dump on him! (I gave Bush almost 5 years b4 I turned on him)
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:17 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Don't you just love the anti-Obama people?........


I'm anti-Socialist, that covers both parties in their current form.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:22 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:
Devil505 wrote:
Don't you just love the anti-Obama people?........


I'm anti-Socialist, that covers both parties in their current form.


Why are you anti-socialist? (are you against our military having universal health care, for example?.....How about Social Security?)
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: BillMarti On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:57 pm

The constitution protects the people from the government therefore it does not allow socialism. You show one socialist government that does not have a dictator leadership that treats the common man fairly. Look at the USSR & CUBA that worked out real well didn't it. Here's another example I've been a mechanic for 4 years now an engineers job just came up all my friends think I should get it despite no qualifications. Gee should I get it because they voted for me? No I'm surely most definitely not qualified ! You people the think you are entitled to free gifts you need to start looking at true history its been rewritten at least 4 times ask the people that are 50-60 years old. So you all think obama's going to do a good job and give him a chance, remember what happened to Joe the plumber. Oh I'm sorry didn't that get buried ? I want you obama fans to ask your saviour where is the money coming from ( I can hear the clicking and clacking of the printing presses at the federal reserve ) THERE IS NO ACTUAL MONEY IT's JUST BEEN PRINTED WITH NO BACKING. So if you took all the salary's of every working person in the USA for a year it wouldn't put a dent in our deficit so again I'll ask you WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM. So what is the cure start impeaching the worst of the congress,senate & supreme court and the rest will take care of itself. Stop the give aways to the big 3 so they can go bankrupt and survive it's already been proven by other business ask around. The only smooth talkers are salesmen that sell you something you don't need does this sound familiar!!!! So unless our WE THE PEOPLES government stop all free give a ways and pork spending and just spend on NECESSITIES WE THE PEOPLE will not come out of this any time soon many years down a real bad road.


Bill S
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: plantman On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:07 pm

Very well spoken Bill S. , I Appreciate your comments!! :)
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:13 pm

BillMarti wrote:The constitution protects the people from the government therefore it does not allow socialism.


I'd argue that it all depends on what subjective people define as socialism. Obviously, we have had many socialist programs for years,...ie Social Security, state run public schools, etc. I think there is no ONE perfect economic or political system. The best system takes the best ideas/concepts from each theory.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: plantman On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:19 pm

By: Complete Heat On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:14 pm

The "balanced" budget Klinton gave us was to to refincing treasury note on a short term basis at lower interest rates... smoke and mirrors. Klinto was the one who signed into law the reforms on home lending practices that got us into this mess. 99.9% of the politicians are criminalm and should be brought to justice.

Very good point Complete Heat. The Clinton Administrations "balanced budget" reminds me of an old saying, "The figures do not lie, but liars figure". Ever heard that one??
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:55 pm

Wow! If the majority in this thread represent the majority of America, I'd say we are doomed. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are all we need. If we had an educated public, and honorable public servants, we'd be fine.

But, we don't, so we got what we got. And what Obama is going to give us more of the same. I think we should practice saying "Dosvidanya Comrade" the way things are going..... :(
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: efo141 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:20 pm

BillMarti wrote:The constitution protects the people from the government therefore it does not allow socialism. You show one socialist government that does not have a dictator leadership that treats the common man fairly. Look at the USSR & CUBA that worked out real well didn't it. Here's another example I've been a mechanic for 4 years now an engineers job just came up all my friends think I should get it despite no qualifications. Gee should I get it because they voted for me? No I'm surely most definitely not qualified ! You people the think you are entitled to free gifts you need to start looking at true history its been rewritten at least 4 times ask the people that are 50-60 years old. So you all think obama's going to do a good job and give him a chance, remember what happened to Joe the plumber. Oh I'm sorry didn't that get buried ? I want you obama fans to ask your where is the money coming from ( I can hear the clicking and clacking of the printing presses at the federal reserve ) THERE IS NO ACTUAL MONEY IT's JUST BEEN PRINTED WITH NO BACKING. So if you took all the salary's of every working person in the USA for a year it wouldn't put a dent in our deficit so again I'll ask you WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM. So what is the cure start impeaching the worst of the congress,senate & supreme court and the rest will take care of itself. Stop the give aways to the big 3 so they can go bankrupt and survive it's already been proven by other business ask around. The only smooth talkers are salesmen that sell you something you don't need does this sound familiar!!!! So unless our WE THE PEOPLES government stop all free give a ways and pork spending and just spend on NECESSITIES WE THE PEOPLE will not come out of this any time soon many years down a real bad road.


Bill S
Ask your man George W. where all the money went. No national debt when George took over.
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: BillMarti On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:23 pm

All socialists programs were implemented by the GOVERNMENT. Come on open your eyes who implemented NAFTA. WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for letting this go on and on. WE THE PEOPLE should have called our representatives and demanded different people to vote for instead of the lessor evil. Stop defending somebody with very little experience and hoping he can get the job done. We all know his agenda by the people he picked a woman libber who thinks the state should raise your children, a tree hugger that propagates the global warming lie, look outside this is worst winter in a decade. The rest are a bunch of liberals whose agendas will put us in father debt by abortion on demand whose paying for that ? I can't remember the other freedom act that will be implemented which will put all conservative broadcasted shows off the air. Do you think this is how their going to keep their dishonesty from being brought to our attention ? Ask the people in Canada about the socialistic
health care its not good !!!!! So look around open your eyes our court system has unilaterally implemented international law in our system that is illegal but thats socialism at work a little here a little there and then you''ll be crying I have rights and they'll be laughing all the way to the CHANGE in your pocket. So keep saying it's not that bad it's ok while your rights are slowly eroded away. Remember the Constitution is not a living or a changing document it was written in black and white so it can not be challenged anybody that believes it is go live in CUBA or USSR and you'll be sorry you left home. Anybody that supports a socialist government go to Canada,Cuba or Russia or maybe England oh I'm sorry didn't we secede from them oh yeah we didn't like their way. And yes WE THE PEOPLE wrote several documents to prevent that kind of abuse but it seems our government is stealing more and more power from WE THE PEOPLE such as the predicament we're in now. So now they'll implement new laws to strip our rights away for the good of the people and the liberals will see that it is enforced to the letter. Look at the border guards who arrested 2 drug known drug runners who I might point out were illegal immagrants
and this was not there first offense but these two government trained officers got prison sentences for upholding US law. So do you really feel that safe that our government is there to prosecute you oh I'm sorry defend you all the way to the hoosegow. Remember next time they lock you up defend your rights of innocents until PROVEN guilty oh yeah thats a good one too. Socialism is just wonderful isn't it ?

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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:29 pm

BillMarti wrote:liberals whose agendas will put us in father debt by abortion on demand whose paying for that



I think we see the basis of your problem with President Elect Obama.

(I suggest you move to Alaska where Gov. Sarah Palin shares your views, because most of the rest of the country doesn't, as was proven by the last election)
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: kootch88 On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:30 pm

I split the healthcare comments to a new topic "Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??" Here is the link: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??
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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: BillMarti On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:36 pm

Here's for all you Bush bashers if the democrats are so good why why why didn't they scream at the top of there lungs as they are known for and come forward when we were in billions of dollars in debt which we could have recovered from instead of trillions and be the hero's they claim to be. Remember when you point that finger there are three pointing back at you. I'm not defending Bush he is party to it as the democrats are this is most definitely a joint effort and misrepresenting the people. We stuck our heads in the ground voluntarily. WE LET THIS HAPPEN LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT CALL YOU REPRESENTATIVE and at least get your state out of the red it not that hard.


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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:36 pm

EFO,

National debt, and budget deficit are two different things. The USA went from being the worlds largest creditor nation to the worlds largest debtor nation. There has been a national debt since the late sixties. Clinton said he left office with a balanced budget, which is a load of horse dung. Bush has done an even worse job than Clinton in the economic department. But the banking crisis is the result of laws passed by the clinton administration and their fellow dems.

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Re: Can Obama pull it off

PostBy: BillMarti On: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:44 pm

My problem is not with obama on abortion it is a fact 70 percent do not agree that abortion on demand is right. If you act irresponsible there are consequences and I should not pay for your foolishness nor do I have to support it. You can get birth control pills for free there is no excuse. And not everybody voted for obama because of his abortion stand it was they thought he was the lesser of the 2 evils try asking around or just keep you head in the sand.
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