Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:51 am

stockingfull wrote:Terry, I don't disagree that multiple myeloma killed my buddy. But there are some here who've been promoting that it's only in Canada, or the UK, or in some other "socialized medicine" country that such terrible things as rationing of care happen. That part is simply false: people in those countries also die of their diseases, just like my friend. There's not a bit of difference.

Yes there is. For the third time, under socialized medicine, it will happen much more frequently. When an amount allocated in a budget for bone marrow transplants is gone, guess what? There are no more bone marrow transplants until the next fiscal year.

Nor will there be a bit of difference in yours or any other private healthcare plan when the President's plan is implemented. For the umpteenth time, if you like what you have, you'll be able to keep it. And that's just another reason why it's not "socialized medicine."

But I'm betting the vast majority of people won't make that choice, because they'll quickly discover that, once the insurance-company profits come out, their healthcare dollar will go a whole lot farther with the "public option."

And where did you get the idea that I'm a fan of comedian Limbaugh? I must say that it's amusing watching Mike Steele as the GOP pinata right now. Doesn't bode well for the future of the party that they have to forsake the moderates and veer sharply right in order to raise cash from the "red meat" wingnuts.

Well you keep quoting him so you must listen. I couldn't come up with a Limbaugh quote if I had to other than ditto. Well we do agree on one thing. The republican party is in disarray. My hope is after Obamanomics have us all living in third world conditons, a viable third party will emerge with some common sense solutions and a strong leader.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:04 am

Oh, now I see: I saw the "grab your socks" clip on Olbermann.

And I just don't buy that the macro-economics of the "public option" will be one iota more nefarious, or more pervasive, than the relatively more "micro-economics" of for-profit insurance operations.

The only difference will be that about 50 Million more people will be covered.

At last.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:10 am

I didn`t realise I was talking to someone who has a wife that is an EMT. I guess I`ll just keep my humble opinions to myself.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:31 am

samhill wrote:I didn`t realise I was talking to someone who has a wife that is an EMT. I guess I`ll just keep my humble opinions to myself.

You made an assertion that was false. I said you were wrong and provided a reason why I thought so. I live with an EMT. I have friends who are firefighters and relatives who are police officers. Maybe you'd like to provided me with a little background on your feeling that EMS would be inclined to drive around an injured person?
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:43 am

Where in my post did I imply that an EMT would drive around a injured person? If you interpreted something that way I`m sorry, it`s not what I meant or believe I said. I was a EMT, Para-medic. My wife is a RN & was one of the first flight nurses. My son & daughter were both EMTs, the sad part is they don`t earn well enough to make a living. In fact my son is in the process of re-certifing so he can be an on site first responder at his new job. The incident I was talking about was on all the channels where a man was hit( I believe twice) no-one seemed to pay much attention. Some drove around him, no one stopped, people on the sidewalks just went on about their business. May-be it wasn`t N.Y.city I don`t recall anyone running out there to pick his pockets or steal his shoes.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:10 am

stockingfull wrote:Oh, now I see: I saw the "grab your socks" clip on Olbermann.


Oh, so you are the one that watches him.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:18 am

MSNBC for me, my friend!

Until 10 PM, then Stewart and Colbert from 11 to midnight.

Try it, the clips alone will show you how much of an idiot Rush is. 8-)
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:38 am

samhill wrote:I read that. Then I checked the msn site for other articles & my site was listed there so I guess it all depends on where or when you look. At least that guy was picked up & they tried to find him a hospital. Where was it N.Y. city or somewhere here in the states where they just let a guy lay & tried to drive around him.

Since we were talking about EMS in Japan being turned away by hospitals, I took your use of the word "they" in the above post to mean NYC EMS. I apologize if I misread you. I will agree that the average citizen in many places are disinclined to help. Whether they just don't care or simply fear a lawsuit, I don't know. I've never seen it myself besides the video you referenced. Philly or Chicago. I can't remember exactly. I don't think it was NYC.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: billlindley On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:36 am

After reading this..... NO!!!! :mad: :mad:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090402/ap_on_re_us/frequent_er_patients
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


This is what Universal HEalthcare will bring you. Sick people will never get the attention they need.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:06 am

samhill wrote: The incident I was talking about was on all the channels where a man was hit( I believe twice) no-one seemed to pay much attention. Some drove around him, no one stopped, people on the sidewalks just went on about their business. May-be it wasn`t N.Y.city I don`t recall anyone running out there to pick his pockets or steal his shoes.


This incident happened in Hartford, Ct. The accident caught on security cameras makes it appear that no one cared, but, what the cameras didn't show was that there were several 911 calls made from witnesses.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:32 pm

I think that's President Obama's main point in pushing universally available/affordable health care!....Think of how much more money we'd all have if we weren't forced to pay ridiculously high health insurance premiums/health care if we weren't ALREADY paying for all the uninsured emergency room visits & care. We could actually afford to start buying homes & cars again!
It's not federal taxes that are killing the middle class...It's the financial burden (worse than a tax) that we are all staggering under from energy costs & health care that has been crippling us for years now! :mad:
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:28 pm

Nope, it's the taxes that are killing the middle class.. Most of the middle class has healthcare through their employers.. and even if they have to pay for it, like I do, at least it is a large group plan, so the costs are reasonable..

My monthly health insurance with my company is roughly $150/single $400/marriedw/children...
BUT my taxes are in the thousands.. I could live well on what the government steals from me.. I say steals from me because is get virtually nothing for my taxes,, and SS won't be there either,, that house of cards is going to collapse.

But taxes... with contributions to savings, Social InSecurity and retirement, I see about 43% of my gross pay in my 'paycheck'..

Taxes now are deducted from part of Social Security payments, THAT was never supposed to happen.

I'm shopping for a wigwam in Idaho.. that's all that I'll be able to afford in my 'golden years'.

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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: cabinover On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:42 pm

Devil505 wrote:It's not federal taxes that are killing the middle class...It's the financial burden (worse than a tax) that we are all staggering under from energy costs & health care that has been crippling us for years now! :mad:


Just wait until he "helps" out the middle class by enacting that cap and trade deal. That'll really lower your energy taxes.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:05 pm

Devil505 wrote:It's not federal taxes that are killing the middle class...It's the financial burden (worse than a tax) that we are all staggering under from energy costs & health care that has been crippling us for years now! :mad:


I disagree with that assessment of what is killing the middle class. I am in the middle class by every definition I have seen, self employed and not part of a group health plan and still I am paying 5 times in taxes what I pay for healthcare.

Also.....A significant portion of energy costs are "not so hidden" taxes.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:40 pm

titleist1 wrote:I have seen, self employed and not part of a group health plan and still I am paying 5 times in taxes what I pay for healthcare.


Don't forget a good portion of what you pay for federal taxes goes to pay (indirectly & not so obviously) for the tremendously high health care costs in this country too....in addition to what you pay directly. (how much lower would Medicaid/Medicare taxes be if health care was reasonable?) Plus, how much of your tax burden goes to pay for corporate welfare like insurance company CEO bonuses & other BS (like AIG even b4 the disgusting bailout) & tax benefits STILL BEING PAID to Exxon-Mobil & the other hugely profitable oil company's. That money comes right out of OUR taxes!
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