Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: BillMarti On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:26 pm

You all need to take a breath and step back and think what is the actual problem with Health Care.

1. Insurance company's charges are out of control-Needs limitations
2. Frivolous lawsuits need to be controlled and eliminated (a law that was struck down years ago needs to be passed)
3. Doctors need the power to make critical decisions without the insurance companys interference.
4. Those abusing the system need to be prosecuted.
5. Those who can't afford insurance such as DISABLED,OUT OF WORK need free access and reviewed on a 90 day basis.
6. Schools turned back over to states and curriculum should return to Social Studies,Reading,Writing,Science,Math
,Physical Education,History,Geography and so on and absolutely no social agenda dictated by a minority of perverts.
7. Social skills and sex education should be left up to the parents period. Our children are confused enough without
an outside force adding to it. The government has done a great damage to our children through the educational system.
Our children are confused enough without outside influences. It's just another thing the government got involved
in and screwed it up. Thank God for private schools but they're trying they're best to eliminate them also.


We need to fix what's broke and make it work before we throw any more money at it.

Bill S
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: spc On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:33 pm

Devil505 wrote:(Try CSPAN for a change)

I do Dick & it does seem to reinforce my argument.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:37 pm

stockingfull wrote:
jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote:... which is why we use public tax dollars to build and run public schools.

So people can read and decide for themselves whom to vote for.

And they did that last November.

You don't believe what you just said do you? We spend billions on more on education than we used to and the kids are dumber than ever. How will they know who to vote for when they don't know how their government works? They stopped teaching "Civics" more than 30 years ago. Most people can't name their member of Congress much less their local representation. As a debate moderator told my friend during his Congressional run, "People don't care about the Constitution. What are you going to do for them?"

The point, Jeff, is that, if you want the educated public our system requires, you don't close public schools just because you have a problem with them.

That's called "throwing the baby out with the bath water."

An educated public is a necessity for our form of gov't. So it's in our public interest to have universal education. So we tax for that and pay for that and, as the President has promised, fix it when and where we need to. We don't abandon it or close it down.

The very same principle applies to public health. As almost all employers agree, a healthy workforce is more productive and less distracted. Why would that incentive apply less to the nation's gov't than it does to each employer providing health insurance?

The test is coming up; have you got the concept yet? :D

Sooo when does this miracle occur? Fifty years of Federal control of schools with dismal results. Previous to that America was on an upswing now most of the world eats our lunch. How many more decades does it take to illustrate the problem?
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:43 pm

spc wrote:I do Dick & it does seem to reinforce my argument.


I probably dislike Nancy Pelosi as much as you do Stephan, (for different reasons than you) so don't expect her defense from me.
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: BillMarti On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:52 pm

So refresh our memory's again who is responsible for burying us the democrats,republicans or both ?

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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:55 pm

jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote:The point, Jeff, is that, if you want the educated public our system requires, you don't close public schools just because you have a problem with them.

That's called "throwing the baby out with the bath water."

An educated public is a necessity for our form of gov't. So it's in our public interest to have universal education. So we tax for that and pay for that and, as the President has promised, fix it when and where we need to. We don't abandon it or close it down.

The very same principle applies to public health. As almost all employers agree, a healthy workforce is more productive and less distracted. Why would that incentive apply less to the nation's gov't than it does to each employer providing health insurance?

The test is coming up; have you got the concept yet? :D

Sooo when does this miracle occur? Fifty years of Federal control of schools with dismal results. Previous to that America was on an upswing now most of the world eats our lunch. How many more decades does it take to illustrate the problem?

OK, I'll bite: Who's ahead of us that has a "less-public" educational system than we have?
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:55 pm

BillMarti wrote:So refresh our memory's again who is responsible for burying us the democrats,republicans or both ?

Bill S.


One word....Bush
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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: BillMarti On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:59 pm

And you accuse others of being one sided. Oh well I just got a education you are your only best friend.


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Re: Should the USA have Universal Healthcare??

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:33 pm

Stocking, it's not about "less public" it's about "more results". With the money we invest we should at least be in the top 3 in the world but we are not. When you invest your money don't you expect results? Positive results I mean. Not failing year after year. If the Department of Education was your financial advisor you'd be an idiot to keep giving them money. So why keep giving them money when they have a proven losing record?
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