Rate your stove...amount of dust

How much ash/dust outside the stove does your unit create?

1 Very little ash/dust, no complaints. I am breathing well.
34
48%
2 Some ash/dust, can be a serious problem but I have learned to work around it. I am careful shaking & ash removal.
18
25%
3 Fair amount of ash/dust. I will not expect anyone other than myself to shake & remove ash.
10
14%
4 Lots of ash/dust. Family & I deal with it because it saves us money and produces great heat but I am cautious when & how I handle the ash. Can become a possible health issue for other family members and even myself.
8
11%
5 Tremendous amount of ash/dust. I'm glad this bear is in the garage. My wife or son will not approach it.
1
1%
 
Total votes : 71

Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: Ashcat On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:17 pm

I just asked my wife: Now that we've had a fire going for three months, what do you think of the amount of the dust? She said: I don't notice any dust. (!!)
Actually there is less dust this year with coal than with our forced air propane system, which just seemed in prior years to circulate dust, along with heat, throughout the house. My insert is in a living area (family room), and all I have to do is wipe the hearth with wet paper towels every few days. Otherwise, no dust. There are a couple keys to this.

First, I couldn't agree more with CapeCoaler--absolutely, draft is key to minimizing dust during shakedown. As he says, the individual grate "pegs" can be accessed only after opening the ash pan door. Also, before shaking down, I liven up the fire and keep the manual pipe damper open the whole time I'm shaking and reloading. My draft could suck a golf ball through a garden hose, and with the method above, any disturbed fly ash is sucked immediately back into the stove. I suspect, and hope, most of this goes right up and out the chimney, rather than settle back down at the bottom of the chimney/original fireplace damper area.

The ashpan has both a fixed handle in front, and a handle that flips up, to carry the pan itself. I just tended my stove for the night, but I shook down a little more ash for illustration purposes. As can be seen in the pictures, I withdraw the the full ashpan most of the way out of the stove, and let it rest against the front edge of the hearth while I open the door to the deck and remove the lid of the ash can on the deck. Then, I bump the full ashpan (the end with the handle a few times), as if I'm trying to bump the pan back into the stove, in order to move the ash forward (towards the fixed handle), which moves any ash that might be resting on the open (back) edge and possibly fall onto the carpet as I'm walking the pan out to the ash can. Once out on the deck, I close the door before I dump the ash into the can--this is the only time fly ash flies around in the whole process, and I don't want it blowing back into the house.

Maximizing draft and careful tending are the keys. I voted #1.
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Ashcat
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 983
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: grizzly2 On: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:38 pm

I have a good draft and cary the ash pan out to the garage to empty, so I don't get much dust in the house. Far less dust, bark, dirt and bugs than when I burned wood in the house. Besides, I dust the house once a month wheather it needs it or not. :lol:
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: Cap On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:58 am

Ashcat wrote:I just asked my wife: Now that we've had a fire going for three months, what do you think of the amount of the dust? She said: I don't notice any dust. (!!)
Actually there is less dust this year with coal than with our forced air propane system, which just seemed in prior years to circulate dust, along with heat, throughout the house. My insert is in a living area (family room), and all I have to do is wipe the hearth with wet paper towels every few days. Otherwise, no dust. There are a couple keys to this.


Maximizing draft and careful tending are the keys. I voted #1.


Good write up Ashcat. I agree, keep draft strong. ( We've read this common theme a few times throughout this thread)I 've followed this procedure for years along with some other tips I use. But in the end, my stove still creates a fair amount of dust and wouldn't be suited for any room in a modern home other than a basement.
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: sharkman8810 On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:23 pm

Given the comments about the sf 250 having a 3" gap on each side, hitzer's fit is much tighter than that. There is a little bit of play in the guides for the plan, but not much. I do get some buildup at the edges, but it certainly isnt in the shovel fulls, and may be from my sloppiness. It is kinda difficult to clean edges with the long narrow design, also i get ash buildup at the back of the box where there is no side to the ashpan.
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: bperowski On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:31 pm

Hey guys, and gals,

I have a surdiac model that I have to poke every 8-12 hours. I used to have a big ash problem, but now with the help of you all, it's minimal. The amount of dust IS a problem though, because the ol' lady writes her name in the dust if its there more than a week. By leaving the damper closed and the draft hight, I got that problem licked. Thanks for all the help and guidance.

Bruce
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: Cap On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:50 pm

The results in so far are quite interesting & telling.
Basically 50% of users have no complaints.
The other 50% have at least some concern dealing with the dust/ash.
And of this 50%, 30% have concerns with his/her health or the health of family members.

I'm not afraid to say, I have some fear of breathing in the dust. I know it has happened and often. No matter how gently I handle the ash, short of using a shop vac with a filter and bag ( which would burn up anyway), I can see some dust rise above the pan after I carefully place it down after removing. And shoveling the loose ash which missing the pan spreads dust as I slowly shovel it into the pan. And I wear a dust mask! :sick: Hard draft, soft draft, cold ask, hot ash, its inevitable, some dust is ingested. I've used all of the tricks.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Harman SF 250, domestic hot water loop, heat accumulator

Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:39 pm

If you still have dust issues after practicing safe ash, you will need to condition the air mechanically.
Get a good respirator and a whole house air filter with a high quality electronic or pleated filter.
If you have an existing furnace and ducting upgrade the filter and put a timer so it will run several hours per day.
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: farok On: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:35 am

I voted for number four since the Yukon Eagle requires the door to be open when you shake the grates. In addition, to get the fire hot enough so I don't kill it when shaking (this furnace requires about 15-20 good shakes -- guess the grates aren't all that great), the blower runs while shaking, circulating the dust all around the room. To top it off, the ash pan isn't big enough for one real good shaking. I need to sometimes dump it twice in one shot. The pan also doesn't cover the entire area, so ash tends to fall outside, though at least the pan has no back so it can scoop up most of it. I still need to vacuum or sweep once or twice a week around the furnace. Other than this, the more I use the furnace, the happier I am, though I did just get a LL Pioneer, so we'll see how that does as well. Hopefully less of a mess and more even heat since I only really need to heat three rooms, all with wide open space in-between.

Chris
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: tstove On: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:07 am

farok wrote:I voted for number four since the Yukon Eagle requires the door to be open when you shake the grates. In addition, to get the fire hot enough so I don't kill it when shaking (this furnace requires about 15-20 good shakes -- guess the grates aren't all that great), the blower runs while shaking, circulating the dust all around the room. To top it off, the ash pan isn't big enough for one real good shaking. I need to sometimes dump it twice in one shot. The pan also doesn't cover the entire area, so ash tends to fall outside, though at least the pan has no back so it can scoop up most of it. I still need to vacuum or sweep once or twice a week around the furnace. Other than this, the more I use the furnace, the happier I am, though I did just get a LL Pioneer, so we'll see how that does as well. Hopefully less of a mess and more even heat since I only really need to heat three rooms, all with wide open space in-between.

Chris

(the blower runs while shaking)Can't you shut off the blower while tending the stove,that's what I do. :D
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: farok On: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:54 pm

Yeah, I probably should. I have the emergency furnace cut-out switch, so I guess that'll work fine as long as I remember to turn it back on. If I don't, I'll get REAL toasty REAL fast.

Chris
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Re: Rate your stove...amount of dust

PostBy: Joe in NH On: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:50 pm

I am not sure if my Harman SF 260 wood/coal boiler qualifies as a stove but the poor ash collection design (small pan, big grate) causes a considerable amount of dust. Anytime you need to shovel coal ashes out of the stove and into a container there will be a lot of dust. This is not a unit that would be found in your living room, but is still dusty even in an unfinished basement. If my wife knew what was going on down there..... Joe
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